Post by Rob Caprio on Oct 23, 2018 9:21:47 GMT -5
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So much attention is given to Ruth Paine that many researchers have overlooked Michael Paine in this story. Let's look at some of his testimony and see how it matches up with the official story given to us by the Warren Commission (WC).
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Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever learn the circumstances under which he left Russia, from him?
Mr. PAINE - As he told me at that same half hour before we came back to our house on Fifth Street--
Mr. DULLES - Was this the first time you had seen him?
Mr. PAINE - All this happened in the first half hour.
Mr. DULLES - The first time you had ever seen him?
Mr. PAINE - The first time I had seen him or at least that first night.
He told me he had decided, that he had wanted, to come back to this country and it was through the fortunate circumstance of the Embassy still having his passport which was a legal loophole that made it legally possible, and I asked him--at sometime I thought this was rather nice that the State Department, I think this was a little later in the same evening, the State Department had forewarned him, had granted him money also, to come back.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did he tell you that?
Mr. PAINE - He told me that and I was rather proud of the State Department for its generous behavior toward such a wayward citizen. He actually had spoken--I had mentioned this because he had spoken abusively of the American Government.
As we saw in the previous post in this series this was NOT the case. The State Department, on orders from some other aspect of the government (perhaps the FBI, CIA, ONI, who knows), did NOT take away his citizenship when it should have. IT was not generosity that caused this, but rather due to the kind of work LHO was doing for the government.
Mr. DULLES - He talked about surrendering the passport rather than surrendering citizenship, did he?
Mr. PAINE - The two were synonymous, I thought, that if you surrendered your passport and with the intention of adopting another one that was renouncing American citizenship.
Mr. DULLES - I see.
Mr. PAINE - Which he wanted, he told me he wanted to renounce his American citizenship. He said that quite flatly.
And yet, NOTHING happened to his citizenship or his passport abilities. I wonder why?
The CHAIRMAN - You also said you thought it was rather nice of the State Department to do that in order to make it possible for him to return if he wanted to?
Mr. PAINE - Yes; I said both of these things. They had given him money. They had held, a peccadillo to hold, the passport out of the knowledge that he might, such people might, want to return, change their mind, and then to provide him money moreover to come back, this all seemed to me rather nice even though it had taken 2 more months than when he originally wanted to come back.
I had said, this in response to his, some kind of expression on his part of criticism of the State Department or the foreign embassy or whatever it is.
This sure was "nice" of them, huh? I wonder if we did what LHO did IF they would do this for us? I doubt it. Since the WC claimed he was good with a rifle let's look at some comments about this.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did he speak of any training that he might have received in connection with either a rifle or a shotgun while he was in the Soviet Union?
Mr. PAINE - No; he didn't.
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Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever observe or hear prior to the assassination that Lee Oswald had been practicing with a rifle?
Mr. PAINE - No, I didn't know prior to the assassination, we didn't know he had a rifle. I had supposed from my conversation with him back on Neely Street that he would like to have a rifle but I didn't gather that he did.
Mr. LIEBELER - Aside from whether or not you knew that he had a rifle, did you ever hear or observe him practicing with a rifle?
Mr. PAINE - No, I did not.
So we see he did NOT observe any practicing with a rifle either. NO one did, and yet, the WC would claim LHO practiced with the M-C.
Another odd thing is this.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you know that Oswald received mail at your house from Irving, Tex?
Mr. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - Do you know what kind of mail he received?
Mr. PAINE - I suppose he used it as the mailing address for most of his mail until he would receive, get a permanent address, so he received the Daily Worker there, or The Worker, and also, I didn't see it come, I don't generally see the mail that arrives there. Most of my mail would arrive at that address even though I was living somewhere else because I also didn't feel permanent in my other addresses, so Ruth would collect the mail and separated mine into a separate pile. I didn't see the Militant arrive. I did see various Russian magazines, Agitateur, maybe a very large one. A very large one and the Daily Worker, The Worker.
IF LHO was receiving these things at the Paines' house, why did he open a Post Office Box then? Can any WC defender explain this?
Also, it should be noted that the The Worker and the The Militant are DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED in thought, so why would he be receiving both magazines? (Note: The person seen in the BYP's is holding BOTH of them.) It is like a right-wing person in the U.S. receiving a LIBERAL magazine. We see this pattern repeatedly as he allegedly would shoot at a right-wing general (Walker) and a left-wing president (JFK). It makes no sense.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever observe any Cuban literature?
Mr. PAINE - No, I didn't.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever' know that he ever received any such literature?
Mr. PAINE - No, I never, until after the assassination, I had never thought of Cuba either in connection with Oswald or in connection with the Communists or the Communist Party.
Again, no knowledge of something LHO would be accused of being involved with. This part is interesting. He claims he thought of LHO right away when he heard the shots came from the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD), but then admits he didn't even know there was a building on Elm St.!
Mr. LIEBELER - As soon as you heard that that building was involved in the assassination, you thought of Oswald, did you not?
Mr. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you think?
Mr. PAINE - Wondering whether Oswald would do it. And the argument against it, the only argument against it, was Just I didn't think he was irrational, or it seemed to me to be irrational.
Mr. LIEBELER - And you asked yourself the question of whether or not Oswald would do it solely on the basis of your knowledge that he worked in that building, is that correct?
Mr. PAINE - Yes. Well, I didn't realize he worked in that building, but then I realized I didn't know--I knew he worked at that organization. I didn't realize there was a building on Elm Street there.
So if he didn't realize there was a building on Elm St. why was he so fast to blame LHO for it? Even IF he did know there was a building there, again, why blame LHO for it so fast? Does this show that Michael Paine had some inside knowledge of what was going on? I don't know as he would change his testimony later on.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you talk to your wife after you heard that the Texas School Book Depository Building was involved in the shooting, and before you subsequently heard that Oswald had been arrested in connection with the assassination?
Mr. PAINE - I don't believe so. I think I called her only once to see that she was listening to the news, and then I assumed she would know all that I knew, and as soon as she heard that I supposed she would be wondering the same thing. It wasn't many minutes later though, it seemed to me, that the name Lee Oswald was mentioned-in the theater. The newsmen didn't connect it up at all, but that is all I needed to send me home.
This is of course a lie and that means he perjured himself, but of course nothing ever happened to him. How do we know it was a lie? Becaue the FBI had a wiretap on their phone and they captured the conversation between Michael and Ruth and it was NOT about what was on television as he claimed. This is interesting too.
Mr. LIEBELER - You left for home before there had been any public connection made between Oswald and the assassination, is that correct?
Mr. PAINE - Well, of course, the police were reporting they had suspects here and suspects there, were chasing suspects over here, and here was a man who had shot Officer Tippit. They didn't even mention him as a suspect, but there was another murder coincident in time.
Mr. LIEBELER - So the news broadcast connected Oswald with Officer Tippit?
Mr. PAINE - That is right.
First of all, who were these suspects that were being chased "over here" and who were the suspects they had here and there? What happened to these suspects? Also, if anyone thinks LHO got a fair lineup they are in denial as we see from this testimony that the media had LHO connected to the Tippit shooting very fast, before the first lineup for sure.
Here is where he changes his testimony about LHO.
Mr. LIEBELER - So your testimony is that you first thought of Oswald after you heard of the Texas School Book Depository Building being involved in the assassination, but you concluded at that time that Oswald was probably not involved in the assassination; is that correct?
Mr. PAINE - That is correct.
In his call to his wife he would mention that they "knew who was involved" and they were NOT talking about LHO. This is an enlightening comment.
Mr. LIEBELER - Is there any other reason other than the fact Oswald was at that building that made you think of him when you heard that building mentioned in connection with the assassination?
Mr. PAINE - Well, yes; Oswald, of course, stands--he is a black sheep in society; I mean he is, if you were to pick out the singular person among the employees there, he is the one, or he is probably the one. I don't happen to know the people who worked there. I gather from him there were about 30 people working there in a fairly large building.
And yet, he testified to NOT even knowing LHO owned a rifle or ever saw him practicing with one! Even if LHO was a radical, and I doubt it based on the evidence we have, does that mean he will shoot a president down with a rifle? That is quite a reach by him. Also, notice the "black sheep of society" comment. Was that why the person in the BYP's pic was dressed in black?
Mr. LIEBELER - I now show you Commission Exhibit 139, which is a rifle that was found in the Texas School Book Depository Building, and ask you if you at any time ever saw this rifle prior to November 22, 1963?
Mr. PAINE - I did not.
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Mr. LIEBELER - I now show you Commission Exhibit 364 which is a replica of a sack which was prepared by authorities in Dallas, and I also show you another sack which is Commission Exhibit 142, and ask you if you have ever seen in or around your garage in Irving, Tex., any sacks similar to those?
Mr. PAINE - No; I haven't.
Mr. LIEBELER - Have you seen any paper in your garage in Irving prior to November 22, 1963, or at any other place, at your home in Irving, Tex., that is similar to the paper of which those sacks are made?
Mr. PAINE - No, I haven't; we have some rugs, most of them are wrapped in polyethylene. I couldn't be sure that one of the smaller ones wasn't wrapped in paper. To my knowledge, we had no free kraft paper of that size.
Mr. LIEBELER - Will you examine the tape on the sacks and tell me whether you have any tape similar to that or whether you have seen any tape similar to that in your garage before November 22, 1963?
Mr. PAINE - We have some tape in a drawer of my desk at the house, my recollection is that the tape is a 2-inch tape, gum tape.
Mr. LIEBELER - And the tape on the sack appears to be three?
Mr. PAINE - This is 3-inch.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever observe in your garage any scraps of paper or scraps of tape similar to the materials used to construct those sacks?
Mr. PAINE - No, I did not.
Mr. LIEBELER - Either before November 22, 1963, or afterwards?
Mr. PAINE - That is correct
So we see he did NOT see the rifle before 11/22/63, did NOT see any sack that looked like the alleged one LHO allegedly used and the tape did NOT match that on the sack! Everyone has seen the claimed package LHO allegedly used if you have followed this case for awhile, does it look "quiet" to you?
Mr. LIEBELER - And to your recollection there was no crinkling in the package wrapped with the blanket?
Mr. PAINE - Yes. It was a very quiet package.
Sure it was. The big thing besides his lie about his call to his wife and what was said is this comment about being shown a picture by the Dallas Police Department (DPD).
Mr. LIEBELER - Did the FBI or any other investigatory agency of the Government ever show you a picture of the rifle that was supposed to have been used to assassinate the President?
Mr. PAINE - They asked me at first, the first night of the assassination if I could locate, identify the place where Lee was standing when he was holding this rifle and some, the picture on the cover of Life.
The picture they showed him had to be a BACKYARD PICTURE as that is what appeared on LIFE magazine. You may say, so what, what's the big deal? Well the big deal is he was shown this on the night of 11/22/63 and OFFICIALLY THE PHOTOS WERE NOT FOUND UNTIL 11/23/63! How and where did the DPD get photos that had NOT been found yet to show him?
Did this concern the WC? NO, they went on like he said it was no big deal.
Mr. LIEBELER - Were you able to?
Mr. PAINE - I identified the place by the fine clapboard structure of the house.
This is a big deal, but the WC had NO issue with it. Is this how you run an honest investigation? Where did the DPD get that photo to show Michael Paine on the night of the assassination when they claimed they did NOT find any photos until the NEXT DAY? Why did the DPD recreation photos match a photo found in Roscoe White's possession many years later (133-D)? How could they "recreate" something they didn't know happened? Think about that. The ONLY two OFFICIAL poses are seen in CE-133A and CE-133B, yet, they recreated a pose seen in the White version (133-D).
By the way, Roscoe White had photographic training while he served in the Marines (and some say CIA training like LHO) so he had the ability to make these photos.
Let's finish with an example of what the WC would do to many witnesses (and current WC defenders do to this day) -- PUT WORDS INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S MOUTHS.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever tell the FBI that at first you felt if the object was a gun in the package it did not have a scope on it, but after seeing pictures of the gun and noting the small size of the scope on the weapon used to assassinate the President that the object you lifted could have been a rifle with the scope mounted on it?
Mr. PAINE - I don't remember saying that; no.
We again see evidence that disputes the claims of the WC, thus, their conclusion is sunk again.
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So much attention is given to Ruth Paine that many researchers have overlooked Michael Paine in this story. Let's look at some of his testimony and see how it matches up with the official story given to us by the Warren Commission (WC).
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Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever learn the circumstances under which he left Russia, from him?
Mr. PAINE - As he told me at that same half hour before we came back to our house on Fifth Street--
Mr. DULLES - Was this the first time you had seen him?
Mr. PAINE - All this happened in the first half hour.
Mr. DULLES - The first time you had ever seen him?
Mr. PAINE - The first time I had seen him or at least that first night.
He told me he had decided, that he had wanted, to come back to this country and it was through the fortunate circumstance of the Embassy still having his passport which was a legal loophole that made it legally possible, and I asked him--at sometime I thought this was rather nice that the State Department, I think this was a little later in the same evening, the State Department had forewarned him, had granted him money also, to come back.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did he tell you that?
Mr. PAINE - He told me that and I was rather proud of the State Department for its generous behavior toward such a wayward citizen. He actually had spoken--I had mentioned this because he had spoken abusively of the American Government.
As we saw in the previous post in this series this was NOT the case. The State Department, on orders from some other aspect of the government (perhaps the FBI, CIA, ONI, who knows), did NOT take away his citizenship when it should have. IT was not generosity that caused this, but rather due to the kind of work LHO was doing for the government.
Mr. DULLES - He talked about surrendering the passport rather than surrendering citizenship, did he?
Mr. PAINE - The two were synonymous, I thought, that if you surrendered your passport and with the intention of adopting another one that was renouncing American citizenship.
Mr. DULLES - I see.
Mr. PAINE - Which he wanted, he told me he wanted to renounce his American citizenship. He said that quite flatly.
And yet, NOTHING happened to his citizenship or his passport abilities. I wonder why?
The CHAIRMAN - You also said you thought it was rather nice of the State Department to do that in order to make it possible for him to return if he wanted to?
Mr. PAINE - Yes; I said both of these things. They had given him money. They had held, a peccadillo to hold, the passport out of the knowledge that he might, such people might, want to return, change their mind, and then to provide him money moreover to come back, this all seemed to me rather nice even though it had taken 2 more months than when he originally wanted to come back.
I had said, this in response to his, some kind of expression on his part of criticism of the State Department or the foreign embassy or whatever it is.
This sure was "nice" of them, huh? I wonder if we did what LHO did IF they would do this for us? I doubt it. Since the WC claimed he was good with a rifle let's look at some comments about this.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did he speak of any training that he might have received in connection with either a rifle or a shotgun while he was in the Soviet Union?
Mr. PAINE - No; he didn't.
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Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever observe or hear prior to the assassination that Lee Oswald had been practicing with a rifle?
Mr. PAINE - No, I didn't know prior to the assassination, we didn't know he had a rifle. I had supposed from my conversation with him back on Neely Street that he would like to have a rifle but I didn't gather that he did.
Mr. LIEBELER - Aside from whether or not you knew that he had a rifle, did you ever hear or observe him practicing with a rifle?
Mr. PAINE - No, I did not.
So we see he did NOT observe any practicing with a rifle either. NO one did, and yet, the WC would claim LHO practiced with the M-C.
Another odd thing is this.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you know that Oswald received mail at your house from Irving, Tex?
Mr. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - Do you know what kind of mail he received?
Mr. PAINE - I suppose he used it as the mailing address for most of his mail until he would receive, get a permanent address, so he received the Daily Worker there, or The Worker, and also, I didn't see it come, I don't generally see the mail that arrives there. Most of my mail would arrive at that address even though I was living somewhere else because I also didn't feel permanent in my other addresses, so Ruth would collect the mail and separated mine into a separate pile. I didn't see the Militant arrive. I did see various Russian magazines, Agitateur, maybe a very large one. A very large one and the Daily Worker, The Worker.
IF LHO was receiving these things at the Paines' house, why did he open a Post Office Box then? Can any WC defender explain this?
Also, it should be noted that the The Worker and the The Militant are DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED in thought, so why would he be receiving both magazines? (Note: The person seen in the BYP's is holding BOTH of them.) It is like a right-wing person in the U.S. receiving a LIBERAL magazine. We see this pattern repeatedly as he allegedly would shoot at a right-wing general (Walker) and a left-wing president (JFK). It makes no sense.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever observe any Cuban literature?
Mr. PAINE - No, I didn't.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever' know that he ever received any such literature?
Mr. PAINE - No, I never, until after the assassination, I had never thought of Cuba either in connection with Oswald or in connection with the Communists or the Communist Party.
Again, no knowledge of something LHO would be accused of being involved with. This part is interesting. He claims he thought of LHO right away when he heard the shots came from the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD), but then admits he didn't even know there was a building on Elm St.!
Mr. LIEBELER - As soon as you heard that that building was involved in the assassination, you thought of Oswald, did you not?
Mr. PAINE - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you think?
Mr. PAINE - Wondering whether Oswald would do it. And the argument against it, the only argument against it, was Just I didn't think he was irrational, or it seemed to me to be irrational.
Mr. LIEBELER - And you asked yourself the question of whether or not Oswald would do it solely on the basis of your knowledge that he worked in that building, is that correct?
Mr. PAINE - Yes. Well, I didn't realize he worked in that building, but then I realized I didn't know--I knew he worked at that organization. I didn't realize there was a building on Elm Street there.
So if he didn't realize there was a building on Elm St. why was he so fast to blame LHO for it? Even IF he did know there was a building there, again, why blame LHO for it so fast? Does this show that Michael Paine had some inside knowledge of what was going on? I don't know as he would change his testimony later on.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you talk to your wife after you heard that the Texas School Book Depository Building was involved in the shooting, and before you subsequently heard that Oswald had been arrested in connection with the assassination?
Mr. PAINE - I don't believe so. I think I called her only once to see that she was listening to the news, and then I assumed she would know all that I knew, and as soon as she heard that I supposed she would be wondering the same thing. It wasn't many minutes later though, it seemed to me, that the name Lee Oswald was mentioned-in the theater. The newsmen didn't connect it up at all, but that is all I needed to send me home.
This is of course a lie and that means he perjured himself, but of course nothing ever happened to him. How do we know it was a lie? Becaue the FBI had a wiretap on their phone and they captured the conversation between Michael and Ruth and it was NOT about what was on television as he claimed. This is interesting too.
Mr. LIEBELER - You left for home before there had been any public connection made between Oswald and the assassination, is that correct?
Mr. PAINE - Well, of course, the police were reporting they had suspects here and suspects there, were chasing suspects over here, and here was a man who had shot Officer Tippit. They didn't even mention him as a suspect, but there was another murder coincident in time.
Mr. LIEBELER - So the news broadcast connected Oswald with Officer Tippit?
Mr. PAINE - That is right.
First of all, who were these suspects that were being chased "over here" and who were the suspects they had here and there? What happened to these suspects? Also, if anyone thinks LHO got a fair lineup they are in denial as we see from this testimony that the media had LHO connected to the Tippit shooting very fast, before the first lineup for sure.
Here is where he changes his testimony about LHO.
Mr. LIEBELER - So your testimony is that you first thought of Oswald after you heard of the Texas School Book Depository Building being involved in the assassination, but you concluded at that time that Oswald was probably not involved in the assassination; is that correct?
Mr. PAINE - That is correct.
In his call to his wife he would mention that they "knew who was involved" and they were NOT talking about LHO. This is an enlightening comment.
Mr. LIEBELER - Is there any other reason other than the fact Oswald was at that building that made you think of him when you heard that building mentioned in connection with the assassination?
Mr. PAINE - Well, yes; Oswald, of course, stands--he is a black sheep in society; I mean he is, if you were to pick out the singular person among the employees there, he is the one, or he is probably the one. I don't happen to know the people who worked there. I gather from him there were about 30 people working there in a fairly large building.
And yet, he testified to NOT even knowing LHO owned a rifle or ever saw him practicing with one! Even if LHO was a radical, and I doubt it based on the evidence we have, does that mean he will shoot a president down with a rifle? That is quite a reach by him. Also, notice the "black sheep of society" comment. Was that why the person in the BYP's pic was dressed in black?
Mr. LIEBELER - I now show you Commission Exhibit 139, which is a rifle that was found in the Texas School Book Depository Building, and ask you if you at any time ever saw this rifle prior to November 22, 1963?
Mr. PAINE - I did not.
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Mr. LIEBELER - I now show you Commission Exhibit 364 which is a replica of a sack which was prepared by authorities in Dallas, and I also show you another sack which is Commission Exhibit 142, and ask you if you have ever seen in or around your garage in Irving, Tex., any sacks similar to those?
Mr. PAINE - No; I haven't.
Mr. LIEBELER - Have you seen any paper in your garage in Irving prior to November 22, 1963, or at any other place, at your home in Irving, Tex., that is similar to the paper of which those sacks are made?
Mr. PAINE - No, I haven't; we have some rugs, most of them are wrapped in polyethylene. I couldn't be sure that one of the smaller ones wasn't wrapped in paper. To my knowledge, we had no free kraft paper of that size.
Mr. LIEBELER - Will you examine the tape on the sacks and tell me whether you have any tape similar to that or whether you have seen any tape similar to that in your garage before November 22, 1963?
Mr. PAINE - We have some tape in a drawer of my desk at the house, my recollection is that the tape is a 2-inch tape, gum tape.
Mr. LIEBELER - And the tape on the sack appears to be three?
Mr. PAINE - This is 3-inch.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever observe in your garage any scraps of paper or scraps of tape similar to the materials used to construct those sacks?
Mr. PAINE - No, I did not.
Mr. LIEBELER - Either before November 22, 1963, or afterwards?
Mr. PAINE - That is correct
So we see he did NOT see the rifle before 11/22/63, did NOT see any sack that looked like the alleged one LHO allegedly used and the tape did NOT match that on the sack! Everyone has seen the claimed package LHO allegedly used if you have followed this case for awhile, does it look "quiet" to you?
Mr. LIEBELER - And to your recollection there was no crinkling in the package wrapped with the blanket?
Mr. PAINE - Yes. It was a very quiet package.
Sure it was. The big thing besides his lie about his call to his wife and what was said is this comment about being shown a picture by the Dallas Police Department (DPD).
Mr. LIEBELER - Did the FBI or any other investigatory agency of the Government ever show you a picture of the rifle that was supposed to have been used to assassinate the President?
Mr. PAINE - They asked me at first, the first night of the assassination if I could locate, identify the place where Lee was standing when he was holding this rifle and some, the picture on the cover of Life.
The picture they showed him had to be a BACKYARD PICTURE as that is what appeared on LIFE magazine. You may say, so what, what's the big deal? Well the big deal is he was shown this on the night of 11/22/63 and OFFICIALLY THE PHOTOS WERE NOT FOUND UNTIL 11/23/63! How and where did the DPD get photos that had NOT been found yet to show him?
Did this concern the WC? NO, they went on like he said it was no big deal.
Mr. LIEBELER - Were you able to?
Mr. PAINE - I identified the place by the fine clapboard structure of the house.
This is a big deal, but the WC had NO issue with it. Is this how you run an honest investigation? Where did the DPD get that photo to show Michael Paine on the night of the assassination when they claimed they did NOT find any photos until the NEXT DAY? Why did the DPD recreation photos match a photo found in Roscoe White's possession many years later (133-D)? How could they "recreate" something they didn't know happened? Think about that. The ONLY two OFFICIAL poses are seen in CE-133A and CE-133B, yet, they recreated a pose seen in the White version (133-D).
By the way, Roscoe White had photographic training while he served in the Marines (and some say CIA training like LHO) so he had the ability to make these photos.
Let's finish with an example of what the WC would do to many witnesses (and current WC defenders do to this day) -- PUT WORDS INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S MOUTHS.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you ever tell the FBI that at first you felt if the object was a gun in the package it did not have a scope on it, but after seeing pictures of the gun and noting the small size of the scope on the weapon used to assassinate the President that the object you lifted could have been a rifle with the scope mounted on it?
Mr. PAINE - I don't remember saying that; no.
We again see evidence that disputes the claims of the WC, thus, their conclusion is sunk again.