Post by Rob Caprio on Mar 7, 2020 21:17:05 GMT -5
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Walt believes that LHO ordered a 40" Carcano and received it at his Dallas P.O. Box. He has said many things like this!
“I seriously doubt that Oswald ever fired the Mannlicher Carcano [sic] that was sent to his PO box from Kleins Sporting Goods. I wonder if Marina would recognize a Mannlicher Carcano [sic] Cartridge [sic] (They are rather distinctive) or a Mannlicher Carcano [sic] clip filled with six cartridges??” (Walt – 2/25/09)
So after repeated attempts to get him to produce evidence showing that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) ordered a 40" Carcano and RECEIVED IT that went UNHEEDED, I added this false claim to the list.
“Walt never proved his claim that LHO RECEIVED a 40” Carcano rifle.”
Ben Holmes has been all over the place with this topic. Initially he said this to me in regards to LHO "receiving" a 40" Carcano.
“They have him receiving it when there is NO evidence showing this!” (Robert)
“Of course there is.” (Ben Holmes – 3/17/09)
So I asked him to share this evidence with us. After much running he gave me this!
“When are YOU going to share this evidence (showing LHO received his rifle at the Post Office) with us Ben???” (Robert)
“You can view it for yourself... you refer to it as the "BY" photo.
And since you've asserted that you do indeed believe that the WC exhibits & evidence *ARE* evidence, you've got nowhere to run.” (Ben Holmes – 3/28/09)
So he gave us a "BY photo" as evidence for LHO receiving a rifle when the BY PHOTOS HAVE NEVER BEEN PROVEN TO BE AUTHENTIC!
He did NOT provide any postal box application showing us any aliases (i.e. A. Hidell) were authorized to receive mail at that box. He did NOT give us a signed U.S. postal slip by LHO showing that he RECEIVED THE RIFLE. He did NOT give us one U.S. postal eyewitness or employee who could say "Sure, I had him sign for it and gave it to him!"
NO, he gave us an alleged photo showing a similar rifle in it. He is mangling the meaning of the "search for truth" by using FAULTY EVIDENCE to support his FAULTY CLAIMS! He would say the same thing to Curt Jester as well!
“And there's evidence that Oswald "received" a rifle - regardless of your honesty in admitting it or not.” (Ben Holmes to CJ—12/17/09)
Since it was NEVER proven to be authentic (CE-133A- the ONE BY photo he and Walt claim is genuine) or to be the same rifle LHO would have ordered, how is this evidence showing LHO received a 40" Carcano as they claim?
It isn't. He caught on to his lie and changed his story later on.
“YOU lied when you said LHO received a 40" Carcano.” (Robert)
“Never said it.” (Ben Holmes – 10/5/09)
How could he NOT say it when he gave a photo showing a 40" Carcano in it as evidence? He would try and wiggle off the hook by using this tactic.
“Stating that there's *EVIDENCE* that LHO received a 40" Carcano, and stating that LHO received a 40" Carcano... are two completely different statements.” (Ben Holmes – 10/6/09)
NO they are not! In fact the one he made--evidence showing this—is worse since he GAVE US HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE EVIDENCE! The evidence does NOT prove or show the man in the photo is LHO, and it certainly does NOT show or prove it is the SAME rifle LHO allegedly ordered from Klein's (I'm on record saying the ACTUAL EVIDENCE given to us by the Warren Commission (WC) shows a 36" Carbine would have been ordered, but he and Walt fight this too!).
He tried to say there is evidence showing LHO received a 40" Carcano, then he tried to back out of it. He would deny saying it to me!
“YOU lied when you said LHO received a 40" Carcano.” (Robert)
“Never said it.” (Ben Holmes – 10/5/09)
How could he NOT be saying it when he claimed CE-133A is authentic, that LHO was in it, and he was holding a 40" Carcano?
“Sadly, the fact that there's evidence for the authenticity of CE-133A is **simply a fact**... much as the fact that a watch was found among Oswald's possessions.“ (Ben Holmes)
And this!
“Then share it with us! Why are you running from the evidence Ben, I thought you said ONLY LNers did this? I guess Ben is proving he is a LNer for us! (Robert)
“If you try to deny that there's evidence that CE-133A is authentic, then you're just a stupid liar. A liar because clearly there *is* evidence that it's authentic, and stupid because anyone can quickly find it on their own.“ (Ben Holmes)
And this!
“Of course I have. *YOU* stated that CE-133A shows a man wearing a watch. **And that's certainly Oswald's face in that photo.”** (Ben Holmes)
Why all the subterfuge if he is telling the truth?? Why did he say this to Brandon Alexander years ago?
“The fact is, that you cannot prove that he picked up the rifle then.” (Robert Harris)
“The evidence indicates he did.” (Brandon Alexander)
“There is also evidence that he didn't.” (Ben Holmes—5/11/06)
This one exchange, and the ones he did with me and CJ, show Ben is just here for two reasons! Firstly, he is here for debate and attacks, NOT the truth of the John F. Kennedy (JFK) case. Secondly, he is here to DEFEND WALT at all costs in his "speculation without justification" claims that BENEFIT the WC!
We see Ben straddling the fence on this issue. Ready to defend EITHER SIDE depending on his goal at the time. This is NOT what a CTer, or a LNer, does IF the TRUTH is their goal!
I have never supported anything I did NOT believe to be true based on the ACTUAL EVIDENCE, but we see Ben will play both sides of the street to accomplish his goals, and Walt's too!
Walt believes that LHO ordered a 40" Carcano and received it at his Dallas P.O. Box. He has said many things like this!
“I seriously doubt that Oswald ever fired the Mannlicher Carcano [sic] that was sent to his PO box from Kleins Sporting Goods. I wonder if Marina would recognize a Mannlicher Carcano [sic] Cartridge [sic] (They are rather distinctive) or a Mannlicher Carcano [sic] clip filled with six cartridges??” (Walt – 2/25/09)
So after repeated attempts to get him to produce evidence showing that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) ordered a 40" Carcano and RECEIVED IT that went UNHEEDED, I added this false claim to the list.
“Walt never proved his claim that LHO RECEIVED a 40” Carcano rifle.”
Ben Holmes has been all over the place with this topic. Initially he said this to me in regards to LHO "receiving" a 40" Carcano.
“They have him receiving it when there is NO evidence showing this!” (Robert)
“Of course there is.” (Ben Holmes – 3/17/09)
So I asked him to share this evidence with us. After much running he gave me this!
“When are YOU going to share this evidence (showing LHO received his rifle at the Post Office) with us Ben???” (Robert)
“You can view it for yourself... you refer to it as the "BY" photo.
And since you've asserted that you do indeed believe that the WC exhibits & evidence *ARE* evidence, you've got nowhere to run.” (Ben Holmes – 3/28/09)
So he gave us a "BY photo" as evidence for LHO receiving a rifle when the BY PHOTOS HAVE NEVER BEEN PROVEN TO BE AUTHENTIC!
He did NOT provide any postal box application showing us any aliases (i.e. A. Hidell) were authorized to receive mail at that box. He did NOT give us a signed U.S. postal slip by LHO showing that he RECEIVED THE RIFLE. He did NOT give us one U.S. postal eyewitness or employee who could say "Sure, I had him sign for it and gave it to him!"
NO, he gave us an alleged photo showing a similar rifle in it. He is mangling the meaning of the "search for truth" by using FAULTY EVIDENCE to support his FAULTY CLAIMS! He would say the same thing to Curt Jester as well!
“And there's evidence that Oswald "received" a rifle - regardless of your honesty in admitting it or not.” (Ben Holmes to CJ—12/17/09)
Since it was NEVER proven to be authentic (CE-133A- the ONE BY photo he and Walt claim is genuine) or to be the same rifle LHO would have ordered, how is this evidence showing LHO received a 40" Carcano as they claim?
It isn't. He caught on to his lie and changed his story later on.
“YOU lied when you said LHO received a 40" Carcano.” (Robert)
“Never said it.” (Ben Holmes – 10/5/09)
How could he NOT say it when he gave a photo showing a 40" Carcano in it as evidence? He would try and wiggle off the hook by using this tactic.
“Stating that there's *EVIDENCE* that LHO received a 40" Carcano, and stating that LHO received a 40" Carcano... are two completely different statements.” (Ben Holmes – 10/6/09)
NO they are not! In fact the one he made--evidence showing this—is worse since he GAVE US HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE EVIDENCE! The evidence does NOT prove or show the man in the photo is LHO, and it certainly does NOT show or prove it is the SAME rifle LHO allegedly ordered from Klein's (I'm on record saying the ACTUAL EVIDENCE given to us by the Warren Commission (WC) shows a 36" Carbine would have been ordered, but he and Walt fight this too!).
He tried to say there is evidence showing LHO received a 40" Carcano, then he tried to back out of it. He would deny saying it to me!
“YOU lied when you said LHO received a 40" Carcano.” (Robert)
“Never said it.” (Ben Holmes – 10/5/09)
How could he NOT be saying it when he claimed CE-133A is authentic, that LHO was in it, and he was holding a 40" Carcano?
“Sadly, the fact that there's evidence for the authenticity of CE-133A is **simply a fact**... much as the fact that a watch was found among Oswald's possessions.“ (Ben Holmes)
And this!
“Then share it with us! Why are you running from the evidence Ben, I thought you said ONLY LNers did this? I guess Ben is proving he is a LNer for us! (Robert)
“If you try to deny that there's evidence that CE-133A is authentic, then you're just a stupid liar. A liar because clearly there *is* evidence that it's authentic, and stupid because anyone can quickly find it on their own.“ (Ben Holmes)
And this!
“Of course I have. *YOU* stated that CE-133A shows a man wearing a watch. **And that's certainly Oswald's face in that photo.”** (Ben Holmes)
Why all the subterfuge if he is telling the truth?? Why did he say this to Brandon Alexander years ago?
“The fact is, that you cannot prove that he picked up the rifle then.” (Robert Harris)
“The evidence indicates he did.” (Brandon Alexander)
“There is also evidence that he didn't.” (Ben Holmes—5/11/06)
This one exchange, and the ones he did with me and CJ, show Ben is just here for two reasons! Firstly, he is here for debate and attacks, NOT the truth of the John F. Kennedy (JFK) case. Secondly, he is here to DEFEND WALT at all costs in his "speculation without justification" claims that BENEFIT the WC!
We see Ben straddling the fence on this issue. Ready to defend EITHER SIDE depending on his goal at the time. This is NOT what a CTer, or a LNer, does IF the TRUTH is their goal!
I have never supported anything I did NOT believe to be true based on the ACTUAL EVIDENCE, but we see Ben will play both sides of the street to accomplish his goals, and Walt's too!