Post by Rob Caprio on Oct 26, 2018 9:28:40 GMT -5
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We will now continue with the witnesses that said they heard shots coming from places other than the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD).
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Wes Frazier
In his testimony before the Warren Commission (WC) Frazier would say he thought the shots came from the underpass area, NOT the TSBD.
Mr. BALL - Now, then, did you have any impression at that time as to the direction from which the sound came?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, to be frank with you I thought it come from down there, you know, where that underpass is. There is a series, quite a few number, of them railroad tracks running together and from where I was standing it sounded like it was coming from down the railroad tracks there.
He would also confirm that several motorcycle cops and were running in the direction of the Grassy Knoll (GK) and underpass.
Mr. BALL - Did you see the President go by?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL - Did you hear anything?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, just right after he went by he hadn't hardly got by, I heard a sound and if you have ever been around motorcycles you know how they backfire, and so I thought one of them motorcycles backfired because right before his car came down, now there were several of these motorcycle policemen, and they took off down toward the underpass down there, and so I thought, you know, that one of them motorcycles backfired, but it wasn't just a few seconds that, you know, I heard two more of the same type of, you know, sounds, and by that time people was running everywhere, and falling down and screaming, and naturally then I knew something was wrong, and so I come to the conclusion somebody else, somebody was shooting at somebody and I figured it was him.
What did he mean by his last comment “…somebody was shooting at somebody and I figured it was HIM?” The WC sure wanted to know.
Mr. BALL - You figured it was who?
Mr. FRAZIER - I figured it was somebody shooting at President Kennedy because people were running and hollering so I just stood still. I have always been taught when something like that happened or anywhere as far as that it is always best to stand still because if you run that makes you look guilty sure enough.
This answer does not seem to jive with his previous comment of “I figured it was HIM” as if he knew who the shooter was. Also, at such a young age, 19, who would have taught him “when something like this happened” you stay still because any movement makes “you look guilty?” Were cars often shot at in Alabama where he was from?
He corroborates Shelley’s testimony here.
Mr. BALL - But you stood right there, did you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right. Stood right where I was.
Mr. BALL - And Mr. Shelley was still standing there?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
Mr. BALL - And also Billy Lovelady?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - The three of you didn't go any place?
Mr. FRAZIER - I believe Billy and them walked down toward that direction but I didn't. I just stood where I was. I hadn't moved at all.
So based on his logic Shelley and Lovelady HAD TO BE GUILTY since they moved! The WC would strike out again in terms of seeing a police officer (Marrion Baker) entering the building too.
Mr. BALL - Did you see anybody after that come into the Building while you were there?
Mr. FRAZIER - You mean somebody other that didn't work there?
Mr. BALL - A police officer.
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I stood there a few minutes, you know, and some people who worked there; you know normally started to go back into the Building because a lot of us didn't eat our lunch, and so we stared back into the Building and it wasn't but just a few minutes that there were a lot of police officers and so forth all over the Building there.
IF Baker entered quickly with Truly why did NO one see this? Can any LNer explain this for me please. Also, note how the other employees were NOT afraid to reenter the TSBD. Again, would you IF you thought there was a person, or persons, with a gun in there? Even Frazier went back in.
Mr. BALL - Then you went back into the Building, did you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
One last ditch attempt at putting Baker where they claimed.
Mr. BALL - And before you went back into the Building no police officer came up the steps and into the building?
Mr. FRAZIER - Not that I know. They could walk by the way and I was standing there talking to somebody else and didn't see it.
NOW, that is more like it. He finally responded with vagueness that the WC loved so they could move on. His first answer seemed pretty firm to me, but the WC rephrased it so he could give this caveat to let himself and the WC off the hook.
Steven F. Wilson
In CE 1381, page 685 we see the following from Mr. Wilson.
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At the time it seemed the shots came from the WEST END of the building or from the colonnade located on Elm Street across from the WEST END of our building. The shots really did NOT sound like they came from above me. (CE 1381, p. 685; p. 3 in original)
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He is another witness who believed the shots came from the WEST and NOT above. He also said this interesting comment in his statement.
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I saw a man, who it seems to me to be wearing a white shirt, run across the street and I realized then that something was amiss.
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It seems to me this man and his running made the connection to something being wrong. Quite a few witnesses saw a man in a white shirt (presumed to be a T-shirt) in the windows of the TSBD before the shooting. Could this have been him?
Roy Truly
In his testimony before the WC he said this regarding the shots:
Mr. BELIN. Where did you think the shots came from?
Mr. TRULY. I thought the shots came from the vicinity of the railroad or the WPA project, behind the WPA project west of the building.
In fact, he would testify to telling a cop (presumably Baker) that he did NOT think the shots came from the TSBD.
Mr. BELIN. Did you have any conversation with the officer that you can remember? About where you thought the shots came from?
Mr. TRULY. Yes. When--some time in the course, I believe, after we reached the roof, the officer looked down over the boxcars and the railroad tracks and the crowd below. Then he looked around the edge of the roof for any evidence of anybody being there. And then looked up at the runways and the big sign on the-roof.
He saw nothing.
He came over. And some time about then I said, "Officer, I think"--let's back up.
I believe the officer told me as we walked down into the seventh floor, "Be careful, this man will blow your head off."
And I told the officer that I didn't feel like the shots came from the building.
I said, "I think we are wasting our time up here," or words to that effect, "I don't believe these shots came from the building."
Why did they NOT mention Baker’s name here? Could this have been the cop seen on the fifth floor earlier?
Again, we see three more witnesses that did NOT believe the shots came from the TSBD as the WC claimed, thus, their conclusion is sunk again.
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We will now continue with the witnesses that said they heard shots coming from places other than the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD).
*********************************
Wes Frazier
In his testimony before the Warren Commission (WC) Frazier would say he thought the shots came from the underpass area, NOT the TSBD.
Mr. BALL - Now, then, did you have any impression at that time as to the direction from which the sound came?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, to be frank with you I thought it come from down there, you know, where that underpass is. There is a series, quite a few number, of them railroad tracks running together and from where I was standing it sounded like it was coming from down the railroad tracks there.
He would also confirm that several motorcycle cops and were running in the direction of the Grassy Knoll (GK) and underpass.
Mr. BALL - Did you see the President go by?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. BALL - Did you hear anything?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, just right after he went by he hadn't hardly got by, I heard a sound and if you have ever been around motorcycles you know how they backfire, and so I thought one of them motorcycles backfired because right before his car came down, now there were several of these motorcycle policemen, and they took off down toward the underpass down there, and so I thought, you know, that one of them motorcycles backfired, but it wasn't just a few seconds that, you know, I heard two more of the same type of, you know, sounds, and by that time people was running everywhere, and falling down and screaming, and naturally then I knew something was wrong, and so I come to the conclusion somebody else, somebody was shooting at somebody and I figured it was him.
What did he mean by his last comment “…somebody was shooting at somebody and I figured it was HIM?” The WC sure wanted to know.
Mr. BALL - You figured it was who?
Mr. FRAZIER - I figured it was somebody shooting at President Kennedy because people were running and hollering so I just stood still. I have always been taught when something like that happened or anywhere as far as that it is always best to stand still because if you run that makes you look guilty sure enough.
This answer does not seem to jive with his previous comment of “I figured it was HIM” as if he knew who the shooter was. Also, at such a young age, 19, who would have taught him “when something like this happened” you stay still because any movement makes “you look guilty?” Were cars often shot at in Alabama where he was from?
He corroborates Shelley’s testimony here.
Mr. BALL - But you stood right there, did you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right. Stood right where I was.
Mr. BALL - And Mr. Shelley was still standing there?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
Mr. BALL - And also Billy Lovelady?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - The three of you didn't go any place?
Mr. FRAZIER - I believe Billy and them walked down toward that direction but I didn't. I just stood where I was. I hadn't moved at all.
So based on his logic Shelley and Lovelady HAD TO BE GUILTY since they moved! The WC would strike out again in terms of seeing a police officer (Marrion Baker) entering the building too.
Mr. BALL - Did you see anybody after that come into the Building while you were there?
Mr. FRAZIER - You mean somebody other that didn't work there?
Mr. BALL - A police officer.
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I stood there a few minutes, you know, and some people who worked there; you know normally started to go back into the Building because a lot of us didn't eat our lunch, and so we stared back into the Building and it wasn't but just a few minutes that there were a lot of police officers and so forth all over the Building there.
IF Baker entered quickly with Truly why did NO one see this? Can any LNer explain this for me please. Also, note how the other employees were NOT afraid to reenter the TSBD. Again, would you IF you thought there was a person, or persons, with a gun in there? Even Frazier went back in.
Mr. BALL - Then you went back into the Building, did you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.
One last ditch attempt at putting Baker where they claimed.
Mr. BALL - And before you went back into the Building no police officer came up the steps and into the building?
Mr. FRAZIER - Not that I know. They could walk by the way and I was standing there talking to somebody else and didn't see it.
NOW, that is more like it. He finally responded with vagueness that the WC loved so they could move on. His first answer seemed pretty firm to me, but the WC rephrased it so he could give this caveat to let himself and the WC off the hook.
Steven F. Wilson
In CE 1381, page 685 we see the following from Mr. Wilson.
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historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pages/WH_Vol22_0358a.gif
At the time it seemed the shots came from the WEST END of the building or from the colonnade located on Elm Street across from the WEST END of our building. The shots really did NOT sound like they came from above me. (CE 1381, p. 685; p. 3 in original)
historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0358a.htm
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He is another witness who believed the shots came from the WEST and NOT above. He also said this interesting comment in his statement.
Quote on
I saw a man, who it seems to me to be wearing a white shirt, run across the street and I realized then that something was amiss.
Quote off
It seems to me this man and his running made the connection to something being wrong. Quite a few witnesses saw a man in a white shirt (presumed to be a T-shirt) in the windows of the TSBD before the shooting. Could this have been him?
Roy Truly
In his testimony before the WC he said this regarding the shots:
Mr. BELIN. Where did you think the shots came from?
Mr. TRULY. I thought the shots came from the vicinity of the railroad or the WPA project, behind the WPA project west of the building.
In fact, he would testify to telling a cop (presumably Baker) that he did NOT think the shots came from the TSBD.
Mr. BELIN. Did you have any conversation with the officer that you can remember? About where you thought the shots came from?
Mr. TRULY. Yes. When--some time in the course, I believe, after we reached the roof, the officer looked down over the boxcars and the railroad tracks and the crowd below. Then he looked around the edge of the roof for any evidence of anybody being there. And then looked up at the runways and the big sign on the-roof.
He saw nothing.
He came over. And some time about then I said, "Officer, I think"--let's back up.
I believe the officer told me as we walked down into the seventh floor, "Be careful, this man will blow your head off."
And I told the officer that I didn't feel like the shots came from the building.
I said, "I think we are wasting our time up here," or words to that effect, "I don't believe these shots came from the building."
Why did they NOT mention Baker’s name here? Could this have been the cop seen on the fifth floor earlier?
Again, we see three more witnesses that did NOT believe the shots came from the TSBD as the WC claimed, thus, their conclusion is sunk again.