Post by Rob Caprio on Apr 6, 2020 21:09:38 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) said Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) shot and killed President John F. Kennedy (JFK), Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit (JDT), shot and wounded Governor John B. Connally (JBC) and fired a shot at General Edwin A. Walker (EAW). They also said he did it all by himself with no assistance from anyone either in the planning phase or the execution phase.
We have already seen in many posts in this series how many have disagreed with this, and some of them served on the WC itself, but now we will look at more people who have doubted the conclusion of the WC that LHO acted alone in killing JFK and JDT.
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Mrs. Jackie Kennedy gave testimony and portions of it were OMITTED from the public view. Why is that? Here is the portion that was included.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you remember Mr. Hill coming to try to help on the car?
Mrs. KENNEDY. I don't remember anything. I was just down like that. And finally I remember a voice behind me, or something, and then I remember the people in the front seat, or somebody, finally knew something was wrong, and a voice yelling, which must have been Mr. Hill, "Get to the hospital,"or maybe it was Mr. Kellerman, in the front seat. But someone yelling. I was just down and holding him. [Reference to wounds deleted.]
Now, here is the portion that was omitted.
Mrs. KENNEDY. …I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing....I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on. .... I could see a piece of his skull sort of wedge-shaped, like that, and I remember that it was flesh colored with little ridges at the top.
What to make of this? Well if we let David Von Pein explain it we get this from ACJ.
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Jackie Kennedy's deleted (but now available) comments (above) don't really add up to very much. But a small portion of that testimony could easily lead to the notion that the "FRONT" part of JFK's head was missing.....
"From the front there was nothing."
But, then too, to be fair, her very next words could possibly indicate just the opposite.....
"But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on."
What are we supposed to make of ALL of that? A rear (BOH) head wound? Or a front/side ("from the front") head wound?
I have no idea. And neither does anybody else, given JUST those rather-ambiguous and murky comments re. the location of the wounds – because she doesn't spell out exactly WHERE on the President's head the wounds were.
So, her previously-deleted comments are pretty much worthless with respect to definitively being able to say "THE WOUNDS WERE HERE AND HERE".
As I mentioned previously, Mr. Rankin and the WC missed a huge opportunity (or at the very least a POSSIBLE huge/golden opportunity) to find out more information from the BEST HEAD-WOUND WITNESS OF THEM ALL (Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy), when Rankin (evidently) never asked Jackie this point-blank question:
"Where were the head wounds, Mrs. Kennedy? Front? Back? Side? Where?"
Too bad. (David Von Pein, 3/29/07, ACJ)
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David Von Pein misses the context of the first comment—“From the front there was nothing…I suppose there must have been.” This does NOT mean the front of JFK’s head was missing, but rather that there were NO wounds to it, but then she caught herself and realized that the WC said there was (and publicly the Kennedy family were going along with this claim) so she then said, “I suppose there must have been.” But there wasn’t any gaping wound to the front of the head, thus, she did NOT see one. She probably could NOT see the temple wound that was seen by some. Now her comments about the back of the head are very consistent with major damage—“But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on…”. If the skull had NO damage in the back of the head save for a small entrance wound as claimed by the WC, why would she need to “hold his hair ON, and his skull ON?” There is NOTHING “murky” or “rather ambiguous” about this comment by Jackie Kennedy as it clearly shows the major damage was to the BACK OF THE HEAD.
David Von Pein then tells two more falsehoods to the reader. Firstly, he says the previously deleted and WITHELD testimony by Mrs. Kennedy was “pretty much worthless with respect to definitively being able to say "THE WOUNDS WERE HERE AND HERE". This is a total falsehood and the main proof that it is goes back to the FACT that the WC did NOT publish these comments! IF they did NOT resolve the issue for us as David Von Pein says, why did they OMIT this testimony in 1964? They clearly show the major damage was to the BACK OF JFK’S HEAD is why as Mrs. Kennedy was busy trying to HOLD JFK’S HAIR AND SKULL ON in that location. Her comments show us nothing was wrong with the front of JFK’s head.
Secondly, he misleads the reader by claiming Mrs. Kennedy was the “BEST HEAD-WOUND WITNESS OF THEM ALL” when this is not true. The best head-wound witnesses were Clint Hill and the doctors and nurses of Parkland Hospital (PH) as they could look at the damage in a cool-headed fashion with NO bias. Poor Mrs. Kennedy was in shock and not thinking straight, so she was NOT the best witness, but her comments do show us where the damage was located nonetheless. I included this quote from Dallas Police Department (DPD) Chief Jesse Curry before, but it is worth adding again as it supports the comments by Mrs. Kennedy.
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Agent Hill finally convinced her [Jackie Kennedy] to let go of the President. Apparently she didn’t want anyone to see that the BACK of the President’s head was PARTIALLY BLOWN OFF. He [Agent Hill] gave her his coat which she used to carefully wrap the President’s head and neck as five or six Secret Service men lifted him toward the stretcher. His body was limp like a dead man’s, they struggled to get him on the stretcher. (Jesse Curry, JFK Assassination File, p. 32) (Emphasis mine)
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This clearly shows the BACK of JFK’s head was damaged and NOT the front as the WC and David Von Pein claim. Mrs. Kennedy’s own mother would say she believed there was a conspiracy to murder JFK.
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Even those not privy to the facts found it hard to believe that Oswald acted alone. Jackie's own mother believed it was no coincidence that the assassination took place in Dallas. "Mother always felt Johnson was behind Jack's assassination," Jamie Auchinloss said. "She never stopped believing it."
By the late 1970s, Ted Kennedy would privately lean toward the conspiracy view, as would Bobby's oldest son, Joe, and several other Kennedy cousins. (Jackie After Jack, New York: William Morrow and Company, 1998, p. 80)
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Obviously, if Mrs. Kennedy had seen a bullet wound to the FRONT of the head and NO damage to the rear her mother, and others, would NOT have reached this conclusion. Thus, her deleted/omitted testimony is very informative and very helpful, and it explains why the WC did NOT include it as they were NOT setup to be informative or helpful. Luckily, they wound up being the latter many times over.
Here are more comments about the official conclusion. In his book The Education of a Public Man, former Vice President Hubert Humphrey wrote the following about what President Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) had said about the JFK assassination.
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We had a hand in killing him [Diem]. Now it’s happening here. (Hubert Humphrey, The Education of a Public Man, 1991, p. 196)
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By the “we” he could NOT have meant JFK as he was NOT for assassination as political tool. So who was the “we” he was referring to? Well according to another source he was blaming JFK for Diem’s murder.
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I want to tell you why Kennedy died. Devine retribution. He murdered Diem and then he got it himself. (LBJ to aide Ralph Dungan, Richard Mahoney, Sons & Brothers, 1999, pp. 302-303)
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Again, we see LBJ blaming S. Vietnam for the assassination and JFK for the reason why when this is NOT the truth. Later on, LBJ would tell the Atlantic Monthly the following shortly before his death.
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During coffee, the talk turned to President Kennedy, and Johnson expressed his belief that the assassination in Dallas had been part of a conspiracy. "I never believed that Oswald acted alone, although I can accept that he pulled the trigger." Johnson said that when he had taken office he found that "we had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean." A year or so before Kennedy's death a CIA-backed assassination team had been picked up in Havana. Johnson speculated that Dallas had been a retaliation for this thwarted attempt, although he couldn't prove it. "After the Warren Commission reported in, I asked Ramsey Clark [then Attorney General] to quietly look into the whole thing. Only two weeks later he reported back that he couldn't find anything new." Disgust tinged Johnson's voice as the conversation came to an end. "I thought I had appointed Tom Clark's son—I was wrong." (The Last Days of the President LBJ in retirement by Leo Janos)
www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/73jul/janos.htm
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Despite his efforts to throw the blame on the S. Vietnamese or the Cubans, the point is still the same—LBJ did NOT believe LHO acted alone in the murder of JFK. Thus, he was refuting the conclusion of the very Commission he formed to look into the murder of JFK.
Following the death of JFK the Soviets also did an investigation into the murder as they feared they would be blamed for the murder. General Nikolai Leonov was a KGB operative at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City when LHO allegedly went there in September 1963. He has always questioned LHO’s ability as a marksmen to accomplish the assassination. In a 1998 interview General Leonov would say that it’s “absolute nonsense” to think that LHO could have killed Kennedy. He further said this in the interview.
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When I met him, in September [1963] he was absolutely unfit for that sort of task…it’s absolutely impossible. (Interview with KGB General Nikolai Leonov, on video The Secret KGB/JFK Assassination Files, Associated Television, 1998)
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Even though I don’t believe he met the real LHO there is still no doubt that he could NOT have done the shooting the WC claimed he did, thus, General Leonov’s opinion is valid IMO. Another famous Soviet weighed in on this topic too.
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You want me to answer the question, which the entire U.S. couldn’t solve for so many years after conducting extensive investigations. Well, I think I have great doubt that it reflects what really happened at that time…I have serious doubts that the Warren Commission presented a true picture of what happened. I DON’T BELIEVE IT. (Interview with former President Mikhail Gorbachev, on video The Secret KGB/JFK Assassination Files, Associated Television, 1998)
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Neither does the majority of the country Mr. Gorbachev. Another KGB member, Colonel Ilya Semyonovitch Pavlotsky who was the highest ranking member of the KGB investigative unit, will give us his take on this issue.
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My group, the special section for analysis, concluded that President Kennedy was NOT killed by Oswald. There were a lot of differences in opinion in the KGB but one thing we ALL AGREED was that Oswald was too incompetent to have pulled this off.
Kennedy was shot by a professional assassin hired by French and South Vietnamese agents. Our unit knew that the Americans helped overthrow and murder South Vietnam President Ngo Dinh Diem, who they had kept in power to fight the communists. Diem’s brother Ngo Dinh Nhu was also killed, and this cut off the supply of opium that Nhu had been helping the Corsican Mafia smuggle to Marseille. The Corsicans then turned the opium into heroin and shipped it to the United States where American gangsters sold the drugs. Our group found that the Corsicans hired French hitman Michael Mertz, sometimes known as Jean Rene Souetre, to carry out the assassination with the cooperation of the American Mafia bosses. (Interview with KBG Colonel Ilya Semyonovitch Pavlotsky, on video The Secret KGB/JFK Assassination Files, Associated Television, 1998)
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I think this experienced man has hit on something worth considering. This obviously would NOT include everyone in the conspiracy, but it shows a conspiracy took place in the murder of JFK. Why none of these leads were properly investigated is beyond me (although there is some doubt to the WC knowing about Michael Mertz story) and since this was not done we can’t trust the conclusion the WC reached. Thus, the WC and its conclusion is sunk.
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The Warren Commission (WC) said Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) shot and killed President John F. Kennedy (JFK), Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit (JDT), shot and wounded Governor John B. Connally (JBC) and fired a shot at General Edwin A. Walker (EAW). They also said he did it all by himself with no assistance from anyone either in the planning phase or the execution phase.
We have already seen in many posts in this series how many have disagreed with this, and some of them served on the WC itself, but now we will look at more people who have doubted the conclusion of the WC that LHO acted alone in killing JFK and JDT.
*****************************************
Mrs. Jackie Kennedy gave testimony and portions of it were OMITTED from the public view. Why is that? Here is the portion that was included.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you remember Mr. Hill coming to try to help on the car?
Mrs. KENNEDY. I don't remember anything. I was just down like that. And finally I remember a voice behind me, or something, and then I remember the people in the front seat, or somebody, finally knew something was wrong, and a voice yelling, which must have been Mr. Hill, "Get to the hospital,"or maybe it was Mr. Kellerman, in the front seat. But someone yelling. I was just down and holding him. [Reference to wounds deleted.]
Now, here is the portion that was omitted.
Mrs. KENNEDY. …I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing....I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on. .... I could see a piece of his skull sort of wedge-shaped, like that, and I remember that it was flesh colored with little ridges at the top.
What to make of this? Well if we let David Von Pein explain it we get this from ACJ.
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Jackie Kennedy's deleted (but now available) comments (above) don't really add up to very much. But a small portion of that testimony could easily lead to the notion that the "FRONT" part of JFK's head was missing.....
"From the front there was nothing."
But, then too, to be fair, her very next words could possibly indicate just the opposite.....
"But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on."
What are we supposed to make of ALL of that? A rear (BOH) head wound? Or a front/side ("from the front") head wound?
I have no idea. And neither does anybody else, given JUST those rather-ambiguous and murky comments re. the location of the wounds – because she doesn't spell out exactly WHERE on the President's head the wounds were.
So, her previously-deleted comments are pretty much worthless with respect to definitively being able to say "THE WOUNDS WERE HERE AND HERE".
As I mentioned previously, Mr. Rankin and the WC missed a huge opportunity (or at the very least a POSSIBLE huge/golden opportunity) to find out more information from the BEST HEAD-WOUND WITNESS OF THEM ALL (Mrs. Jacqueline Kennedy), when Rankin (evidently) never asked Jackie this point-blank question:
"Where were the head wounds, Mrs. Kennedy? Front? Back? Side? Where?"
Too bad. (David Von Pein, 3/29/07, ACJ)
groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.conspiracy.jfk/CMMqa2GNd04/m51ICfSfHS4J
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David Von Pein misses the context of the first comment—“From the front there was nothing…I suppose there must have been.” This does NOT mean the front of JFK’s head was missing, but rather that there were NO wounds to it, but then she caught herself and realized that the WC said there was (and publicly the Kennedy family were going along with this claim) so she then said, “I suppose there must have been.” But there wasn’t any gaping wound to the front of the head, thus, she did NOT see one. She probably could NOT see the temple wound that was seen by some. Now her comments about the back of the head are very consistent with major damage—“But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on…”. If the skull had NO damage in the back of the head save for a small entrance wound as claimed by the WC, why would she need to “hold his hair ON, and his skull ON?” There is NOTHING “murky” or “rather ambiguous” about this comment by Jackie Kennedy as it clearly shows the major damage was to the BACK OF THE HEAD.
David Von Pein then tells two more falsehoods to the reader. Firstly, he says the previously deleted and WITHELD testimony by Mrs. Kennedy was “pretty much worthless with respect to definitively being able to say "THE WOUNDS WERE HERE AND HERE". This is a total falsehood and the main proof that it is goes back to the FACT that the WC did NOT publish these comments! IF they did NOT resolve the issue for us as David Von Pein says, why did they OMIT this testimony in 1964? They clearly show the major damage was to the BACK OF JFK’S HEAD is why as Mrs. Kennedy was busy trying to HOLD JFK’S HAIR AND SKULL ON in that location. Her comments show us nothing was wrong with the front of JFK’s head.
Secondly, he misleads the reader by claiming Mrs. Kennedy was the “BEST HEAD-WOUND WITNESS OF THEM ALL” when this is not true. The best head-wound witnesses were Clint Hill and the doctors and nurses of Parkland Hospital (PH) as they could look at the damage in a cool-headed fashion with NO bias. Poor Mrs. Kennedy was in shock and not thinking straight, so she was NOT the best witness, but her comments do show us where the damage was located nonetheless. I included this quote from Dallas Police Department (DPD) Chief Jesse Curry before, but it is worth adding again as it supports the comments by Mrs. Kennedy.
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Agent Hill finally convinced her [Jackie Kennedy] to let go of the President. Apparently she didn’t want anyone to see that the BACK of the President’s head was PARTIALLY BLOWN OFF. He [Agent Hill] gave her his coat which she used to carefully wrap the President’s head and neck as five or six Secret Service men lifted him toward the stretcher. His body was limp like a dead man’s, they struggled to get him on the stretcher. (Jesse Curry, JFK Assassination File, p. 32) (Emphasis mine)
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This clearly shows the BACK of JFK’s head was damaged and NOT the front as the WC and David Von Pein claim. Mrs. Kennedy’s own mother would say she believed there was a conspiracy to murder JFK.
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Even those not privy to the facts found it hard to believe that Oswald acted alone. Jackie's own mother believed it was no coincidence that the assassination took place in Dallas. "Mother always felt Johnson was behind Jack's assassination," Jamie Auchinloss said. "She never stopped believing it."
By the late 1970s, Ted Kennedy would privately lean toward the conspiracy view, as would Bobby's oldest son, Joe, and several other Kennedy cousins. (Jackie After Jack, New York: William Morrow and Company, 1998, p. 80)
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Obviously, if Mrs. Kennedy had seen a bullet wound to the FRONT of the head and NO damage to the rear her mother, and others, would NOT have reached this conclusion. Thus, her deleted/omitted testimony is very informative and very helpful, and it explains why the WC did NOT include it as they were NOT setup to be informative or helpful. Luckily, they wound up being the latter many times over.
Here are more comments about the official conclusion. In his book The Education of a Public Man, former Vice President Hubert Humphrey wrote the following about what President Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) had said about the JFK assassination.
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We had a hand in killing him [Diem]. Now it’s happening here. (Hubert Humphrey, The Education of a Public Man, 1991, p. 196)
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By the “we” he could NOT have meant JFK as he was NOT for assassination as political tool. So who was the “we” he was referring to? Well according to another source he was blaming JFK for Diem’s murder.
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I want to tell you why Kennedy died. Devine retribution. He murdered Diem and then he got it himself. (LBJ to aide Ralph Dungan, Richard Mahoney, Sons & Brothers, 1999, pp. 302-303)
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Again, we see LBJ blaming S. Vietnam for the assassination and JFK for the reason why when this is NOT the truth. Later on, LBJ would tell the Atlantic Monthly the following shortly before his death.
Quote on
During coffee, the talk turned to President Kennedy, and Johnson expressed his belief that the assassination in Dallas had been part of a conspiracy. "I never believed that Oswald acted alone, although I can accept that he pulled the trigger." Johnson said that when he had taken office he found that "we had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean." A year or so before Kennedy's death a CIA-backed assassination team had been picked up in Havana. Johnson speculated that Dallas had been a retaliation for this thwarted attempt, although he couldn't prove it. "After the Warren Commission reported in, I asked Ramsey Clark [then Attorney General] to quietly look into the whole thing. Only two weeks later he reported back that he couldn't find anything new." Disgust tinged Johnson's voice as the conversation came to an end. "I thought I had appointed Tom Clark's son—I was wrong." (The Last Days of the President LBJ in retirement by Leo Janos)
www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/73jul/janos.htm
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Despite his efforts to throw the blame on the S. Vietnamese or the Cubans, the point is still the same—LBJ did NOT believe LHO acted alone in the murder of JFK. Thus, he was refuting the conclusion of the very Commission he formed to look into the murder of JFK.
Following the death of JFK the Soviets also did an investigation into the murder as they feared they would be blamed for the murder. General Nikolai Leonov was a KGB operative at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City when LHO allegedly went there in September 1963. He has always questioned LHO’s ability as a marksmen to accomplish the assassination. In a 1998 interview General Leonov would say that it’s “absolute nonsense” to think that LHO could have killed Kennedy. He further said this in the interview.
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When I met him, in September [1963] he was absolutely unfit for that sort of task…it’s absolutely impossible. (Interview with KGB General Nikolai Leonov, on video The Secret KGB/JFK Assassination Files, Associated Television, 1998)
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Even though I don’t believe he met the real LHO there is still no doubt that he could NOT have done the shooting the WC claimed he did, thus, General Leonov’s opinion is valid IMO. Another famous Soviet weighed in on this topic too.
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You want me to answer the question, which the entire U.S. couldn’t solve for so many years after conducting extensive investigations. Well, I think I have great doubt that it reflects what really happened at that time…I have serious doubts that the Warren Commission presented a true picture of what happened. I DON’T BELIEVE IT. (Interview with former President Mikhail Gorbachev, on video The Secret KGB/JFK Assassination Files, Associated Television, 1998)
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Neither does the majority of the country Mr. Gorbachev. Another KGB member, Colonel Ilya Semyonovitch Pavlotsky who was the highest ranking member of the KGB investigative unit, will give us his take on this issue.
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My group, the special section for analysis, concluded that President Kennedy was NOT killed by Oswald. There were a lot of differences in opinion in the KGB but one thing we ALL AGREED was that Oswald was too incompetent to have pulled this off.
Kennedy was shot by a professional assassin hired by French and South Vietnamese agents. Our unit knew that the Americans helped overthrow and murder South Vietnam President Ngo Dinh Diem, who they had kept in power to fight the communists. Diem’s brother Ngo Dinh Nhu was also killed, and this cut off the supply of opium that Nhu had been helping the Corsican Mafia smuggle to Marseille. The Corsicans then turned the opium into heroin and shipped it to the United States where American gangsters sold the drugs. Our group found that the Corsicans hired French hitman Michael Mertz, sometimes known as Jean Rene Souetre, to carry out the assassination with the cooperation of the American Mafia bosses. (Interview with KBG Colonel Ilya Semyonovitch Pavlotsky, on video The Secret KGB/JFK Assassination Files, Associated Television, 1998)
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I think this experienced man has hit on something worth considering. This obviously would NOT include everyone in the conspiracy, but it shows a conspiracy took place in the murder of JFK. Why none of these leads were properly investigated is beyond me (although there is some doubt to the WC knowing about Michael Mertz story) and since this was not done we can’t trust the conclusion the WC reached. Thus, the WC and its conclusion is sunk.