Post by Rob Caprio on May 31, 2021 14:24:57 GMT -5
All portions ©️ Robert Caprio 2006-2024
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben Holmes will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben Holmes will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Now let's add in Ben's own notice to lurkers for his series as he is DOING THE SAME THING HE ACCUSES THE TROLLS OF DOING!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
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Walt Cakebread's claim:
Walt never proved his claim that LHO shot at General Walker on 4/10/63.
Walt has said this about the topic!
“There is just too much evidence that Oswald was involved to firing the bullet through Walker's window." (Walt)
There is?? How come the limited stuff he has given us does NOT show that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was involved then? The bullet he claims was fired at General Edwin A. Walker (EAW), CE-573, does NOT even match the rifle that they claimed he used (CE-139) yet he is satisfied it was the bullet he used.
“OK....Calm down.... I accept that CE 573 (a copper-jacketed bullet) is in fact the bullet that was recovered from Walker's living room on the evening of April 10 1963.” (Walt to Justme (rabid LNer Paul May))
Too bad for Walt the various Dallas Police Department (DPD) reports ALL mention a steel-jacketed bullet, huh? His lame argument that "copper" is a "metal" fell flat on its face too! So he did what all liars do, they blamed the "mistake" on the cops!
“I believe there is way too much credibility placed on a rookie cops police report about that bullet. I suspect that he wrote "steel jacked" (sic) when he meant METAL jacketed." (Walt)
Of course he OFFERED NO evidence for this wild claim! See how he tried to equate "metal" with "copper?" He acts like "copper" is the ONLY metal in the world! He would use all the standard LNer things to try and frame him with this shooting like the photographs of EAW's house (there is NO evidence showing us definitively that LHO took them and one was tampered with while in DPD custody), the letter to Marina (which NEVER mentions EAW at all), and the backyard photograph showing him holding CE-139 allegedly. See, Walt thinks CE-133A is GENUINE!
He would even go so far as to claim LHO buried the rifle after shooting at EAW JUST LIKE THE WC DID!
“There is NO evidence showing any rifle owned by LHO was ever "buried" after the Walker shooting! Can you cite your sources for this claim?” (Robert)
“Sure, read Marina's testimony after you pull your head outta yer ass.” (Walt—1/7/10)
So the woman he claims was unreliable so many times since I have been here (ACJ) is ALWAYS his savior with me! What did Ben Holmes think of these statements by Walt? Well we are limited by his TOTAL LACK OF RESPONSE to Walt's constant UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS! This was a man who has said this to me on this issue too!
“When people refuse to support their own assertions, I merely point it out.” (Ben Holmes – 7/9/09)
And:
“Lies will be pointed out, no matter *WHO* asserts 'em.” (Ben Holmes— 12/8/09)
I guess he forgot to give us the caveat of "IF Walt" lies it will NOT be pointed OUT, huh?
Let's look at some older comments by Ben to see where he stands on this issue so we can see IF he always agreed with Walt's claims or not, okay? I found this comment awhile back.
“Toddy [Todd Vaughn] is too gutless to admit that the Walker bullet was originally reported to be a steel jacketed bullet. Why is that, Toddy? Why can't you answer Tomnln's question?” (Ben Holmes – 1/26/06)
It seems Walt is "too gutless to admit that the Walker bullet was originally reported to be steel jacketed" as well since he lies and claims they made mistake and meant "metal" instead of "steel." We saw NO correction or "pointing out" by Ben though when Walt did the SAME thing Todd Vaughn did!
Ben further corrects Todd:
“Original DPD Report dated April 10, 1963. Ah, I see.” (Todd Vaughn)
“Good of you to see. You surely implied that Tomnln's source didn't say what he said it did. I'm glad you can admit that it *does indeed* so state that the Walker bullet was a steel jacketed one.” (Ben Holmes – 1/26/06)
So why does he NOT correct Walt when he tries to invent all kinds of lies to make it seem that the DPD was wrong and never mentioned a steel-jacketed bullet? Ben continued to "pin down" Todd, but let Walt claim the SAME THING with NO direct intervention on his part!
“Did you know the DPD also said Oswald killed JFK?” (Todd Vaughn)
“Did you know that you've ducked Tomnln's question again? Something along the lines of "How did a steel jacket turn into a copper jacket?" Do you plan on answering it? Or will you duck it again? Merely asserting that the DPD asserted that LHO killed JFK is no answer...for the DPD *also* asserted that no-one had ever been able to place LHO in that window.” (Ben Holmes – 1/26/06)
Why NO challenge to Walt for doing the SAME thing??? He would even give Todd this admonishment!
"The "steel jacket" was found to be very inconvenient for people such as you, so you simply ignore it... don't you?” (Ben Holmes – 1/27/06)
Yet we see Walt is IGNORING it too by making up silly claims that a "rookie cop" wrote steel instead of metal! NO comment from Ben though, how come? He would hang himself further with this comment since he let Walt "wave the magic wand over the bullet" too!
“Did you look at the Original Report in Volume XXIV page 39????” (Bud to Tom R.)
“Doesn't matter whether he did or didn't. The real point, of course, is that just like Toddy, and other LNT'ers, no answer to this problem has been offered. **A steel jacketed bullet has had the magic hand waved over it, and been changed to a copper jacketed bullet.**
We have police officers who can't tell the difference between steel and copper... police officers who can't tell the difference between revolver and automatic cartridge shells, and many other improbable things that LNT'ers must believe.” (Ben Holmes – 1/27/06)
Walt made it worse as he claimed "police officers" couldn't describe steel from metal!!! Yet we saw NO comment to Walt by Ben. Why? (I say to Walt because he had plenty of comments to me when I was telling the truth!) So I called him on it and he said this to me!
“YOU also are listening to Walt too much and he will sink you as the DPD never mentioned a copper-jacketed bullet in the Walker shooting. There is NO evidence showing LHO fired at Walker.” (Robert)
“Yes, moron, there is.” (Ben Holmes – 7/23/09)
There is? Funny how we windup AT THE VERY SAME POINT WALT STARTED THIS POST OFF WITH, HUH? Wow!! Of course his OLD words would HANG HIM THE MOST AS USUAL! LOOK at this gem (this is similar to his famous comment about LHO NOT going to Mexico City many years ago!) I found awhile back!
“Who can refute that Oswald shot at General Walker?” (Brandon Alexander)
“Actually, don't you think this needs to be proved first? As I recall, witnesses described 'two' people involved, an automobile involved, and a caliber round fired from a rifle that cannot be linked to Oswald. The only evidence *for* is Marina's testimony - which I personally don't put a lot of credence in.... a photo of Walker's house (with a license plate cut out of the photo - *after* taken as evidence), and a note alleged to have been written by LHO. There's alot of questions surrounding this incident, that have never been answered, or accounted for.” (Ben Holmes—12/4/1997)
Isn't it funny to see him use the word "prove" when he tells me YOU don't have to PROVE ANYTHING all the time? Also, notice the part about Marina's testimony! He has said it is "biased" and "not smart" to use it before as well, and here he says he doesn't put a lot of credence in it! Yet that is ALL HE IS CONSTANTLY GIVING ME THESE DAYS to support his wacky claims!
What has happened to the Ben Holmes of 1997???????? I would have liked this guy for sure, but he is gone forever it seems. Or, he is a plant who plays both sides.
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben Holmes will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben Holmes will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Now let's add in Ben's own notice to lurkers for his series as he is DOING THE SAME THING HE ACCUSES THE TROLLS OF DOING!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
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Walt Cakebread's claim:
Walt never proved his claim that LHO shot at General Walker on 4/10/63.
Walt has said this about the topic!
“There is just too much evidence that Oswald was involved to firing the bullet through Walker's window." (Walt)
There is?? How come the limited stuff he has given us does NOT show that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was involved then? The bullet he claims was fired at General Edwin A. Walker (EAW), CE-573, does NOT even match the rifle that they claimed he used (CE-139) yet he is satisfied it was the bullet he used.
“OK....Calm down.... I accept that CE 573 (a copper-jacketed bullet) is in fact the bullet that was recovered from Walker's living room on the evening of April 10 1963.” (Walt to Justme (rabid LNer Paul May))
Too bad for Walt the various Dallas Police Department (DPD) reports ALL mention a steel-jacketed bullet, huh? His lame argument that "copper" is a "metal" fell flat on its face too! So he did what all liars do, they blamed the "mistake" on the cops!
“I believe there is way too much credibility placed on a rookie cops police report about that bullet. I suspect that he wrote "steel jacked" (sic) when he meant METAL jacketed." (Walt)
Of course he OFFERED NO evidence for this wild claim! See how he tried to equate "metal" with "copper?" He acts like "copper" is the ONLY metal in the world! He would use all the standard LNer things to try and frame him with this shooting like the photographs of EAW's house (there is NO evidence showing us definitively that LHO took them and one was tampered with while in DPD custody), the letter to Marina (which NEVER mentions EAW at all), and the backyard photograph showing him holding CE-139 allegedly. See, Walt thinks CE-133A is GENUINE!
He would even go so far as to claim LHO buried the rifle after shooting at EAW JUST LIKE THE WC DID!
“There is NO evidence showing any rifle owned by LHO was ever "buried" after the Walker shooting! Can you cite your sources for this claim?” (Robert)
“Sure, read Marina's testimony after you pull your head outta yer ass.” (Walt—1/7/10)
So the woman he claims was unreliable so many times since I have been here (ACJ) is ALWAYS his savior with me! What did Ben Holmes think of these statements by Walt? Well we are limited by his TOTAL LACK OF RESPONSE to Walt's constant UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS! This was a man who has said this to me on this issue too!
“When people refuse to support their own assertions, I merely point it out.” (Ben Holmes – 7/9/09)
And:
“Lies will be pointed out, no matter *WHO* asserts 'em.” (Ben Holmes— 12/8/09)
I guess he forgot to give us the caveat of "IF Walt" lies it will NOT be pointed OUT, huh?
Let's look at some older comments by Ben to see where he stands on this issue so we can see IF he always agreed with Walt's claims or not, okay? I found this comment awhile back.
“Toddy [Todd Vaughn] is too gutless to admit that the Walker bullet was originally reported to be a steel jacketed bullet. Why is that, Toddy? Why can't you answer Tomnln's question?” (Ben Holmes – 1/26/06)
It seems Walt is "too gutless to admit that the Walker bullet was originally reported to be steel jacketed" as well since he lies and claims they made mistake and meant "metal" instead of "steel." We saw NO correction or "pointing out" by Ben though when Walt did the SAME thing Todd Vaughn did!
Ben further corrects Todd:
“Original DPD Report dated April 10, 1963. Ah, I see.” (Todd Vaughn)
“Good of you to see. You surely implied that Tomnln's source didn't say what he said it did. I'm glad you can admit that it *does indeed* so state that the Walker bullet was a steel jacketed one.” (Ben Holmes – 1/26/06)
So why does he NOT correct Walt when he tries to invent all kinds of lies to make it seem that the DPD was wrong and never mentioned a steel-jacketed bullet? Ben continued to "pin down" Todd, but let Walt claim the SAME THING with NO direct intervention on his part!
“Did you know the DPD also said Oswald killed JFK?” (Todd Vaughn)
“Did you know that you've ducked Tomnln's question again? Something along the lines of "How did a steel jacket turn into a copper jacket?" Do you plan on answering it? Or will you duck it again? Merely asserting that the DPD asserted that LHO killed JFK is no answer...for the DPD *also* asserted that no-one had ever been able to place LHO in that window.” (Ben Holmes – 1/26/06)
Why NO challenge to Walt for doing the SAME thing??? He would even give Todd this admonishment!
"The "steel jacket" was found to be very inconvenient for people such as you, so you simply ignore it... don't you?” (Ben Holmes – 1/27/06)
Yet we see Walt is IGNORING it too by making up silly claims that a "rookie cop" wrote steel instead of metal! NO comment from Ben though, how come? He would hang himself further with this comment since he let Walt "wave the magic wand over the bullet" too!
“Did you look at the Original Report in Volume XXIV page 39????” (Bud to Tom R.)
“Doesn't matter whether he did or didn't. The real point, of course, is that just like Toddy, and other LNT'ers, no answer to this problem has been offered. **A steel jacketed bullet has had the magic hand waved over it, and been changed to a copper jacketed bullet.**
We have police officers who can't tell the difference between steel and copper... police officers who can't tell the difference between revolver and automatic cartridge shells, and many other improbable things that LNT'ers must believe.” (Ben Holmes – 1/27/06)
Walt made it worse as he claimed "police officers" couldn't describe steel from metal!!! Yet we saw NO comment to Walt by Ben. Why? (I say to Walt because he had plenty of comments to me when I was telling the truth!) So I called him on it and he said this to me!
“YOU also are listening to Walt too much and he will sink you as the DPD never mentioned a copper-jacketed bullet in the Walker shooting. There is NO evidence showing LHO fired at Walker.” (Robert)
“Yes, moron, there is.” (Ben Holmes – 7/23/09)
There is? Funny how we windup AT THE VERY SAME POINT WALT STARTED THIS POST OFF WITH, HUH? Wow!! Of course his OLD words would HANG HIM THE MOST AS USUAL! LOOK at this gem (this is similar to his famous comment about LHO NOT going to Mexico City many years ago!) I found awhile back!
“Who can refute that Oswald shot at General Walker?” (Brandon Alexander)
“Actually, don't you think this needs to be proved first? As I recall, witnesses described 'two' people involved, an automobile involved, and a caliber round fired from a rifle that cannot be linked to Oswald. The only evidence *for* is Marina's testimony - which I personally don't put a lot of credence in.... a photo of Walker's house (with a license plate cut out of the photo - *after* taken as evidence), and a note alleged to have been written by LHO. There's alot of questions surrounding this incident, that have never been answered, or accounted for.” (Ben Holmes—12/4/1997)
Isn't it funny to see him use the word "prove" when he tells me YOU don't have to PROVE ANYTHING all the time? Also, notice the part about Marina's testimony! He has said it is "biased" and "not smart" to use it before as well, and here he says he doesn't put a lot of credence in it! Yet that is ALL HE IS CONSTANTLY GIVING ME THESE DAYS to support his wacky claims!
What has happened to the Ben Holmes of 1997???????? I would have liked this guy for sure, but he is gone forever it seems. Or, he is a plant who plays both sides.