Post by Rob Caprio on Sept 29, 2021 12:50:59 GMT -5
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The Warren Commission (WC) accused Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) of shooting Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit (JDT) on November 22, 1963, but as we have seen in numerous other posts there is NO evidence showing this happened.
Let’s look at this event more closely and see if we can get a lead on who may be a better suspect in the shooting.
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In the early 1990s Ricky White, son of Roscoe White, came forward and claimed his father had been the Grassy Knoll (GK) shooter of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and the shooter of JDT. I have never based anything on what he claimed, but rather on the evidence of this case. In other words, I do NOT think Roscoe White could have been the killer of JDT because of what Ricky White claims, but because there is more evidence for this conclusion than for LHO doing it. In regards to the JFK assassination I have not seen anything beyond the “Badgeman” idea that could fix attention on White. He was assigned duty in the GK area though during the time of the motorcade from sources I have read, but there is no way to show he was behind the fence firing at JFK.
Here is some background on Roscoe White. I wrote this years ago.
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Roscoe White would join the U.S. Marines in August 1957, and would be shipped to Japan following his basic training. He would ironically (or maybe not) be aboard the same ship, U.S.S. Bexar, as LHO when that ship sailed on August 21, 1957. LHO would be stationed at the U-2 base in Atsugi and according to researcher Dave Perry White would be assigned to Marine Air Group 16 and eventually windup in Okinawa, Japan on September 19, 1957. Also, according to Perry White had stayed at Kadena, Japan from the time of the ships arrival to the time of his departure for Okinawa. Others have said he was at the same base as LHO for this time period. Perry said there is no evidence showing they were at Atsugi together and I can’t disagree with this as I have not seen any either, but in the long run this really matters little since we are talking six years from the time of the assassination.
Others have claimed White and LHO did serve in the same unit for a short time and present evidence found in the DPD’s own files for support. (Dallas Police Department Internal Intelligence Information memorandum, Corporal/Investigator Jack L. Beavers to Captain W. R., 28th January 1964) Again, this is interesting, but doubtful in regards to connection to the assassination six years later.
Further commonalties reflect a recruitment into either, or both, the military intelligence and the CIA, and both White and LHO would be sent to the Subic Bay region of the Philippines later in the year.
Family members have stated there was a photo of White and LHO together in the Philippines, but it is really hard to tell if the person in the background is White or not.
Check out this article for the picture in question (LHO in the USMC).
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They would also both go to the Indonesia region as part of a CIA invasion plan of that nation. These postings have been confirmed by the simplest means, letters written to his wife, Geneva, were kept and had naval-vessel postmarks on them. Additional confirmation came from LHO himself, when in conversations with Priscilla McMillan, which she would later relay to the WC, he mentioned protracted "maneuvers", and the Marines who participated would not be sent back to their primary units for many months after this.
Is this when White, LHO or both, became intelligence agents? To be fair, David Perry has raised the question of what does all this prove, and the honest answer is nothing by itself. This case is so full of coincidences though, too many for most true investigators and here we have more.
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It appears they went their separate ways after this as no one has come forward and claimed to have seen White and LHO together, but of course in the world of intelligence, this does not definitely mean they never met again. White would join the Dallas Police Department (DPD) in September 1963, and one has to wonder why he came back to Dallas and joined the police force at this time. It seems no one has really covered this well, and some researchers even differ on when White started with the DPD as some show September while others show he started in early October of 1963. Either way, he would become a DPD officer within two months of the assassination, which in and of itself is no big deal, but when one considers his wife Geneva worked for Jack Ruby it becomes more interesting. Geneva White many years later, after her son Ricky came forward to say his father was the GK shooter, would relay her memories of discussions between Roscoe and Ruby. Supposedly she overheard these one time and Ruby caught her, and as reported in High Treason 2 Ruby wanted her dead, but Roscoe talked him into "shock therapy" instead. Supposedly this "treatment" erased or blocked all of these memories for quite a long time.
To me anyway, this is all a side issue, as I have never really bought the idea of White being the GK shooter anyway, but one has to consider him as a possibility until it can be ruled out for sure. Why? IMO, simply for the fact that White was assigned to the triple underpass area on the day of the motorcade, along with officer Foster, and he would be the one that would turn Gordon Arnold away from filming up there. So this close proximity to the fence area has to make him interesting until someone can step forward with hard proof he was not the shooter. So the issue of her memory not being perfect is not the real story here, but rather if the diary is correct or not that Ricky claimed his father left. The other major connection to the JFK side of the case would be the "backyard" photo that would be found his wife's possession in 1976. What is really unique about this one, from the other three, is it portrays "LHO" holding the rifle and the pamphlet in the "same position" as the DPD recreation photos! Why did the DPD copy "LHO's" stance from this photo when it was not one of the ones submitted by the WC as CE133-A or CE133-B? How did they know he, or whomever, stood or held the rifle this way when they "never" saw it?
I see White's role in all of this much more centered around the JDT slaying than the JFK slaying. Why? First of all, it has been mentioned in several sources that White knew JDT and he recruited JDT to take LHO to the Redbird Airfield after the assassination attempt. Remember, it has been suggested that it was played to LHO that this would just be an attempt to scare JFK into backing the Cuban exiles, so it has to be assumed it would have been presented the same way to JDT upfront. This scenario lines up with the fact that JDT's car, number 10, was seen tooting his horn outside of LHO's boarding house at around 1:00 PM.
Mr. BALL. Did a police car pass the house there and honked?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. You mean, it was not the car of the policemen you knew?
Mrs. ROBERTS. It wasn't the police car I knew, because their number was 170 and it wasn't 170 and I ignored it.
Mr. BALL. Did this police car stop directly in front of your house?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes--it stopped directly in front of my house and it just "tip-tip" and that's the way Officer Alexander and Charles Burnely would do when they stopped, and I went to the door and looked and saw it wasn't their number.
Even if the landlady is wrong about the car's number, exhaustive research over the years has virtually shown that JDT's was the ONLY police car in that area at that time. There would also be multiple complaints from neighbors around the Redbird Airfield regarding a plane revving its engines for over an hour around this time, but the police did not respond to these complaints.
There is more to the story as well. Mrs. Roberts would testify to seeing two men in the police car that she saw.
Mr. BALL. Is that the number?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes--I remembered it. I don't know where I got that 106---207. Anyway, I knew it wasn't 170.
Mr. BALL. And you say that there were two uniformed policemen in the car?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, and it was in a black car. It wasn't an accident squad car at all.
Mr. BALL. Were there two uniformed policemen in the car?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Oh, yes.
JDT was NOT assigned a partner on November 22, 1963, so who was this person? Also, a second police uniform top is in the back seat of JDT's cruiser when the police arrive after the shooting. How did Markham describe the shooter's clothes again? White top, black trousers and a white jacket. The jacket has been shown through exhaustive investigation to not be LHO's. How? The laundry tag was never matched to LHO in Dallas or New Orleans, and the jacket was a medium and LHO wore a small. Marina would also say he had only two jackets and neither was this color. Now back to the extra uniform top in the backseat. What color was the DPD uniform in 1963? Black. Take off the top and what do you have? White T-shirt and black pants is what.
Remember, this is the same kind of description in regard to clothes that Poe sent out:
Mr. BALL. At 1:22 p.m., on the transcript of the radio log, I note it says, "Have a description of suspect on Jefferson. Last seen about the 300 block of East Jefferson. White male, 30's; 5'8", black hair, slender built, **wearing white shirt, black slacks."**
Do you know whether you gave Walker that description?
Mr. POE. I remember giving Walker a description. My partner got in the car with Walker.
Mr. BALL. Did you give Walker a description similar to that?
Mr. POE. Yes, sir. (7H, p. 69)
We are not done yet. Markham was the primary witness for the WC but she was NOT credible in her identification of LHO at all. She did tell Mark Lane that the shooter was "short", "on the heavy side" and had "bushy hair." This could describe Roscoe White to a "T"-shirt and a "hairpiece." White was short, stocky or portly and he was known to wear a dark bushy hairpiece. She also was responsible for giving the initial description of the shooter to the Poe as well.
Mr. BALL. Who told you he had on a white jacket?
Mr. POE. Mrs. Markham told me first.
Some researchers have even said LHO was there with JDT when White stepped out and shot JDT, thus causing LHO to take off. If this has any chance of being true then LHO arrived there in another way as the WC could NOT show via evidence that LHO arrived at Tenth & Patton at all, let alone via the walking method they claimed he did. Also, the evidence is nonexistent in showing he was there at all. Some, like House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) investigator Richard E. Sprague, think it was a LHO look-alike by the name of William Seymour.
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Tippit Shooting
David Belin of the Warren and Rockefeller Commission is fond of saying, "Lee Harvey Oswald killed policeman Tippit. Since the case against Oswald for the Tippit slaying is so strong, it follows that Oswald also shot the President." The case against Oswald in the Tippit murder is as weak as the case against him in the JFK assassination. The most important evidence showing that Seymour and another one of the assassination team shot Tippit is the fact that six witnesses, ignored by the Warren Commission, saw two men shoot Tippit. One of them resembled Oswald. They ran away from the scene in opposite directions. Seymour ran toward the Texas Theater, throwing the planted shells up in the air so that witnesses would see and recover them. (This act would convince most people that Oswald did not shoot Tippit.) The other assassin ran in the opposite direction. There is some indication that Seymour entered the theater in a manner to draw attention and then left before the Oswald arrest. While the shells recovered were found to match Oswald's pistol, none of the bullets recovered from Tippit's body matched. (Richard E. Sprague, The Taking of America, 1-2-3, Chapter five)
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A look-alike could explain some of the confusion by the witnesses and the reason NONE of them could describe the type of clothing LHO was actually wearing. A woman who said she had a good look at the killer’s face, Markham, could NOT identify anyone by their face either.
Mr. BALL. You did not? Did you see anybody--I have asked you that question before did you recognize anybody from their face?
Mrs. MARKHAM. From their face, no.
Furthermore, I don't know why LHO didn't just stay at the boarding house, as Roy Truly at the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) did not have this address so he would have been safe there for some time. I think this shows he was working with someone or for some group as he made the move to a movie theater instead of staying in a safe place or leaving town. Author Matthew Smith has said this is the move CIA agents and assests are taught to do when they are in trouble (go to a movie theater). When one adds in the way White died, an industrial fire, it can be seen yet another strange death can be added to the list in this case.
We can add in the story of Mike Robinson at this point too as he also claims he heard things on November 22, 1963, that could point to White as being either the shooter of JDT or at least aware of what happened to JDT. Researcher/author Walt Brown has spent time researching this and speaking with Robinson about what he saw and heard that day long ago.
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Mike indicated that he overheard in conversation that it was clear to anyone who was talking that the police were convinced beyond all reasonable doubt, even as early as 2:30 P.M., that Oswald was the culprit on both counts. He also learned that J. D. Tippit had been killed. That event, while tragic, was not overly troubling to Mike, as many neighborhood kids knew Tippit from his comings and goings at Austin's Barbeque, and Tippit had arrested Mike's brother for drinking beer in public. The local teenagers, it was noted, had no use for Tippit, whom they viewed as your garden-variety :cop:.
Putting that aside, Mike and his friend saw Oswald moved from the various places he was shunted to, and also saw him inside one of the glass homicide cubicles, until such time as newspaper was taped up to keep out the curious. Mike also saw Bobby Hargis, the motorcycle officer splattered by particulate matter from the president, return to headquarters with blood and brain matter on him and his helmet, and when the realization of events hit Hargis, he violently slammed the helmet into a wall and literally went berserk, requiring a number of other officers to restrain him (an event unknown to--or unreported by -- the Warren Commission).
As afternoon approached evening, a trip to the rest room became an absolute necessity, but with extra police and media on the third floor, that was impossible. So Mike was taken, by the ranking officer whose son he was with, down to the lowest level of the building, where the officers had their lockers, and told that the rest room was just past the locker room.
While in a toilet/stall, the enormity of events hit Mike hard and he became emotional about them now that he found himself literally alone with the knowledge that the president he had waved to just a few hours earlier was now in a coffin. As this emotional turmoil came upon him, the rest room serenity was broken by the arrival of three individuals. Not to appear a sissy or be embarrassed, Mike lifted his feet and "hid" in the stall so that anyone observing would think that only the three men who had just entered were present.
Their brief conversation forever changed Mike Robinson's life. Initially there were whispers, but eventually one individual -- and these people were police or police-related in the officers' rest room -- vented some anger through gritted teeth, with appropriate profanity, to make statements that add great credence to the thesis enunciated herein.
As Mike Robinson reconstructs the statements, their order was:
(angrily) "You knew you were supposed to kill Lee," followed by icy silence, then the same voice in the same nasty tone, "then, you stupid son of a bitch, you go kill a cop .... " At this point, another individual entered the room, and the first three fell silent. The newcomer, whom Mike could identify as wearing blue, "did his business, flushed the urinal, and left." The original three then concluded, "Lee will have to be killed before they take him to Washington."
Naturally uncomfortable with what he had heard, Mike remained in his hideout for a decent span of time after the three men left the room, then left. As he passed through the police locker room, one officer, in the process of changing his clothes, stared at Mike, as if to say, "Were you in there when we were?" Having been shown every available photo of officers on the Dallas police force at that time, Mike Robinson believes that the man who stared at him in a menacing way was Roscoe White.
Caveat emptor: Some of the narrative cited above came to light as a result of hypnosis. This is not uncommon police procedure, as witnesses to crimes can often be hypnotized and reveal details - from clothing to license plates -- that they seemed totally unaware of in a conscious state. I was hypnotized in 1984 to begin the cure of a phobic concern, and I can personally report the success of the hypnosis. So if one chooses to see Mike as an opportunist, the obvious criticism is that he did not recall the entire story, although to this day, when he sees the ominous photo of Roscoe White in the Dallas Assassination Information Center, he admits that it scares the living hell out of him.
The hypnosis, which I asked a number of skeptical questions about and which will be well covered in Coke Buchanan's writings about Mike, was done by an expert with a Ph.D. in hypnotherapy. It revealed that it was Mike's deep-seated belief that one of the three bathroom individuals had something to do with an "agency." He also believes "100 percent" that Roscoe White killed J. D. Tippit.
I have checked with sources to see if it was in any way possible that Oswald could have been in that bathroom, or if media people had made statements that could have been confused. I was assured that Oswald did "his business" in his cell, or in the third-floor rest room, and that the one place that would have been off-limits to press, and thus private to officers, was the area in question. (Walt Brown, Treachery In Dallas)
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Based on the fact this discussion took place in the Dallas Police officers bathroom we have to assume these three men were members of the DPD or some other official organization not to be noticed or questioned.
Sadly, we will never know the full story as the WC failed to investigate this more fully for us.
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The Warren Commission (WC) accused Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) of shooting Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit (JDT) on November 22, 1963, but as we have seen in numerous other posts there is NO evidence showing this happened.
Let’s look at this event more closely and see if we can get a lead on who may be a better suspect in the shooting.
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In the early 1990s Ricky White, son of Roscoe White, came forward and claimed his father had been the Grassy Knoll (GK) shooter of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and the shooter of JDT. I have never based anything on what he claimed, but rather on the evidence of this case. In other words, I do NOT think Roscoe White could have been the killer of JDT because of what Ricky White claims, but because there is more evidence for this conclusion than for LHO doing it. In regards to the JFK assassination I have not seen anything beyond the “Badgeman” idea that could fix attention on White. He was assigned duty in the GK area though during the time of the motorcade from sources I have read, but there is no way to show he was behind the fence firing at JFK.
Here is some background on Roscoe White. I wrote this years ago.
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Roscoe White would join the U.S. Marines in August 1957, and would be shipped to Japan following his basic training. He would ironically (or maybe not) be aboard the same ship, U.S.S. Bexar, as LHO when that ship sailed on August 21, 1957. LHO would be stationed at the U-2 base in Atsugi and according to researcher Dave Perry White would be assigned to Marine Air Group 16 and eventually windup in Okinawa, Japan on September 19, 1957. Also, according to Perry White had stayed at Kadena, Japan from the time of the ships arrival to the time of his departure for Okinawa. Others have said he was at the same base as LHO for this time period. Perry said there is no evidence showing they were at Atsugi together and I can’t disagree with this as I have not seen any either, but in the long run this really matters little since we are talking six years from the time of the assassination.
Others have claimed White and LHO did serve in the same unit for a short time and present evidence found in the DPD’s own files for support. (Dallas Police Department Internal Intelligence Information memorandum, Corporal/Investigator Jack L. Beavers to Captain W. R., 28th January 1964) Again, this is interesting, but doubtful in regards to connection to the assassination six years later.
Further commonalties reflect a recruitment into either, or both, the military intelligence and the CIA, and both White and LHO would be sent to the Subic Bay region of the Philippines later in the year.
Family members have stated there was a photo of White and LHO together in the Philippines, but it is really hard to tell if the person in the background is White or not.
Check out this article for the picture in question (LHO in the USMC).
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They would also both go to the Indonesia region as part of a CIA invasion plan of that nation. These postings have been confirmed by the simplest means, letters written to his wife, Geneva, were kept and had naval-vessel postmarks on them. Additional confirmation came from LHO himself, when in conversations with Priscilla McMillan, which she would later relay to the WC, he mentioned protracted "maneuvers", and the Marines who participated would not be sent back to their primary units for many months after this.
Is this when White, LHO or both, became intelligence agents? To be fair, David Perry has raised the question of what does all this prove, and the honest answer is nothing by itself. This case is so full of coincidences though, too many for most true investigators and here we have more.
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It appears they went their separate ways after this as no one has come forward and claimed to have seen White and LHO together, but of course in the world of intelligence, this does not definitely mean they never met again. White would join the Dallas Police Department (DPD) in September 1963, and one has to wonder why he came back to Dallas and joined the police force at this time. It seems no one has really covered this well, and some researchers even differ on when White started with the DPD as some show September while others show he started in early October of 1963. Either way, he would become a DPD officer within two months of the assassination, which in and of itself is no big deal, but when one considers his wife Geneva worked for Jack Ruby it becomes more interesting. Geneva White many years later, after her son Ricky came forward to say his father was the GK shooter, would relay her memories of discussions between Roscoe and Ruby. Supposedly she overheard these one time and Ruby caught her, and as reported in High Treason 2 Ruby wanted her dead, but Roscoe talked him into "shock therapy" instead. Supposedly this "treatment" erased or blocked all of these memories for quite a long time.
To me anyway, this is all a side issue, as I have never really bought the idea of White being the GK shooter anyway, but one has to consider him as a possibility until it can be ruled out for sure. Why? IMO, simply for the fact that White was assigned to the triple underpass area on the day of the motorcade, along with officer Foster, and he would be the one that would turn Gordon Arnold away from filming up there. So this close proximity to the fence area has to make him interesting until someone can step forward with hard proof he was not the shooter. So the issue of her memory not being perfect is not the real story here, but rather if the diary is correct or not that Ricky claimed his father left. The other major connection to the JFK side of the case would be the "backyard" photo that would be found his wife's possession in 1976. What is really unique about this one, from the other three, is it portrays "LHO" holding the rifle and the pamphlet in the "same position" as the DPD recreation photos! Why did the DPD copy "LHO's" stance from this photo when it was not one of the ones submitted by the WC as CE133-A or CE133-B? How did they know he, or whomever, stood or held the rifle this way when they "never" saw it?
I see White's role in all of this much more centered around the JDT slaying than the JFK slaying. Why? First of all, it has been mentioned in several sources that White knew JDT and he recruited JDT to take LHO to the Redbird Airfield after the assassination attempt. Remember, it has been suggested that it was played to LHO that this would just be an attempt to scare JFK into backing the Cuban exiles, so it has to be assumed it would have been presented the same way to JDT upfront. This scenario lines up with the fact that JDT's car, number 10, was seen tooting his horn outside of LHO's boarding house at around 1:00 PM.
Mr. BALL. Did a police car pass the house there and honked?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes.
Mr. BALL. You mean, it was not the car of the policemen you knew?
Mrs. ROBERTS. It wasn't the police car I knew, because their number was 170 and it wasn't 170 and I ignored it.
Mr. BALL. Did this police car stop directly in front of your house?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes--it stopped directly in front of my house and it just "tip-tip" and that's the way Officer Alexander and Charles Burnely would do when they stopped, and I went to the door and looked and saw it wasn't their number.
Even if the landlady is wrong about the car's number, exhaustive research over the years has virtually shown that JDT's was the ONLY police car in that area at that time. There would also be multiple complaints from neighbors around the Redbird Airfield regarding a plane revving its engines for over an hour around this time, but the police did not respond to these complaints.
There is more to the story as well. Mrs. Roberts would testify to seeing two men in the police car that she saw.
Mr. BALL. Is that the number?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes--I remembered it. I don't know where I got that 106---207. Anyway, I knew it wasn't 170.
Mr. BALL. And you say that there were two uniformed policemen in the car?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, and it was in a black car. It wasn't an accident squad car at all.
Mr. BALL. Were there two uniformed policemen in the car?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Oh, yes.
JDT was NOT assigned a partner on November 22, 1963, so who was this person? Also, a second police uniform top is in the back seat of JDT's cruiser when the police arrive after the shooting. How did Markham describe the shooter's clothes again? White top, black trousers and a white jacket. The jacket has been shown through exhaustive investigation to not be LHO's. How? The laundry tag was never matched to LHO in Dallas or New Orleans, and the jacket was a medium and LHO wore a small. Marina would also say he had only two jackets and neither was this color. Now back to the extra uniform top in the backseat. What color was the DPD uniform in 1963? Black. Take off the top and what do you have? White T-shirt and black pants is what.
Remember, this is the same kind of description in regard to clothes that Poe sent out:
Mr. BALL. At 1:22 p.m., on the transcript of the radio log, I note it says, "Have a description of suspect on Jefferson. Last seen about the 300 block of East Jefferson. White male, 30's; 5'8", black hair, slender built, **wearing white shirt, black slacks."**
Do you know whether you gave Walker that description?
Mr. POE. I remember giving Walker a description. My partner got in the car with Walker.
Mr. BALL. Did you give Walker a description similar to that?
Mr. POE. Yes, sir. (7H, p. 69)
We are not done yet. Markham was the primary witness for the WC but she was NOT credible in her identification of LHO at all. She did tell Mark Lane that the shooter was "short", "on the heavy side" and had "bushy hair." This could describe Roscoe White to a "T"-shirt and a "hairpiece." White was short, stocky or portly and he was known to wear a dark bushy hairpiece. She also was responsible for giving the initial description of the shooter to the Poe as well.
Mr. BALL. Who told you he had on a white jacket?
Mr. POE. Mrs. Markham told me first.
Some researchers have even said LHO was there with JDT when White stepped out and shot JDT, thus causing LHO to take off. If this has any chance of being true then LHO arrived there in another way as the WC could NOT show via evidence that LHO arrived at Tenth & Patton at all, let alone via the walking method they claimed he did. Also, the evidence is nonexistent in showing he was there at all. Some, like House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) investigator Richard E. Sprague, think it was a LHO look-alike by the name of William Seymour.
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Tippit Shooting
David Belin of the Warren and Rockefeller Commission is fond of saying, "Lee Harvey Oswald killed policeman Tippit. Since the case against Oswald for the Tippit slaying is so strong, it follows that Oswald also shot the President." The case against Oswald in the Tippit murder is as weak as the case against him in the JFK assassination. The most important evidence showing that Seymour and another one of the assassination team shot Tippit is the fact that six witnesses, ignored by the Warren Commission, saw two men shoot Tippit. One of them resembled Oswald. They ran away from the scene in opposite directions. Seymour ran toward the Texas Theater, throwing the planted shells up in the air so that witnesses would see and recover them. (This act would convince most people that Oswald did not shoot Tippit.) The other assassin ran in the opposite direction. There is some indication that Seymour entered the theater in a manner to draw attention and then left before the Oswald arrest. While the shells recovered were found to match Oswald's pistol, none of the bullets recovered from Tippit's body matched. (Richard E. Sprague, The Taking of America, 1-2-3, Chapter five)
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A look-alike could explain some of the confusion by the witnesses and the reason NONE of them could describe the type of clothing LHO was actually wearing. A woman who said she had a good look at the killer’s face, Markham, could NOT identify anyone by their face either.
Mr. BALL. You did not? Did you see anybody--I have asked you that question before did you recognize anybody from their face?
Mrs. MARKHAM. From their face, no.
Furthermore, I don't know why LHO didn't just stay at the boarding house, as Roy Truly at the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) did not have this address so he would have been safe there for some time. I think this shows he was working with someone or for some group as he made the move to a movie theater instead of staying in a safe place or leaving town. Author Matthew Smith has said this is the move CIA agents and assests are taught to do when they are in trouble (go to a movie theater). When one adds in the way White died, an industrial fire, it can be seen yet another strange death can be added to the list in this case.
We can add in the story of Mike Robinson at this point too as he also claims he heard things on November 22, 1963, that could point to White as being either the shooter of JDT or at least aware of what happened to JDT. Researcher/author Walt Brown has spent time researching this and speaking with Robinson about what he saw and heard that day long ago.
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Mike indicated that he overheard in conversation that it was clear to anyone who was talking that the police were convinced beyond all reasonable doubt, even as early as 2:30 P.M., that Oswald was the culprit on both counts. He also learned that J. D. Tippit had been killed. That event, while tragic, was not overly troubling to Mike, as many neighborhood kids knew Tippit from his comings and goings at Austin's Barbeque, and Tippit had arrested Mike's brother for drinking beer in public. The local teenagers, it was noted, had no use for Tippit, whom they viewed as your garden-variety :cop:.
Putting that aside, Mike and his friend saw Oswald moved from the various places he was shunted to, and also saw him inside one of the glass homicide cubicles, until such time as newspaper was taped up to keep out the curious. Mike also saw Bobby Hargis, the motorcycle officer splattered by particulate matter from the president, return to headquarters with blood and brain matter on him and his helmet, and when the realization of events hit Hargis, he violently slammed the helmet into a wall and literally went berserk, requiring a number of other officers to restrain him (an event unknown to--or unreported by -- the Warren Commission).
As afternoon approached evening, a trip to the rest room became an absolute necessity, but with extra police and media on the third floor, that was impossible. So Mike was taken, by the ranking officer whose son he was with, down to the lowest level of the building, where the officers had their lockers, and told that the rest room was just past the locker room.
While in a toilet/stall, the enormity of events hit Mike hard and he became emotional about them now that he found himself literally alone with the knowledge that the president he had waved to just a few hours earlier was now in a coffin. As this emotional turmoil came upon him, the rest room serenity was broken by the arrival of three individuals. Not to appear a sissy or be embarrassed, Mike lifted his feet and "hid" in the stall so that anyone observing would think that only the three men who had just entered were present.
Their brief conversation forever changed Mike Robinson's life. Initially there were whispers, but eventually one individual -- and these people were police or police-related in the officers' rest room -- vented some anger through gritted teeth, with appropriate profanity, to make statements that add great credence to the thesis enunciated herein.
As Mike Robinson reconstructs the statements, their order was:
(angrily) "You knew you were supposed to kill Lee," followed by icy silence, then the same voice in the same nasty tone, "then, you stupid son of a bitch, you go kill a cop .... " At this point, another individual entered the room, and the first three fell silent. The newcomer, whom Mike could identify as wearing blue, "did his business, flushed the urinal, and left." The original three then concluded, "Lee will have to be killed before they take him to Washington."
Naturally uncomfortable with what he had heard, Mike remained in his hideout for a decent span of time after the three men left the room, then left. As he passed through the police locker room, one officer, in the process of changing his clothes, stared at Mike, as if to say, "Were you in there when we were?" Having been shown every available photo of officers on the Dallas police force at that time, Mike Robinson believes that the man who stared at him in a menacing way was Roscoe White.
Caveat emptor: Some of the narrative cited above came to light as a result of hypnosis. This is not uncommon police procedure, as witnesses to crimes can often be hypnotized and reveal details - from clothing to license plates -- that they seemed totally unaware of in a conscious state. I was hypnotized in 1984 to begin the cure of a phobic concern, and I can personally report the success of the hypnosis. So if one chooses to see Mike as an opportunist, the obvious criticism is that he did not recall the entire story, although to this day, when he sees the ominous photo of Roscoe White in the Dallas Assassination Information Center, he admits that it scares the living hell out of him.
The hypnosis, which I asked a number of skeptical questions about and which will be well covered in Coke Buchanan's writings about Mike, was done by an expert with a Ph.D. in hypnotherapy. It revealed that it was Mike's deep-seated belief that one of the three bathroom individuals had something to do with an "agency." He also believes "100 percent" that Roscoe White killed J. D. Tippit.
I have checked with sources to see if it was in any way possible that Oswald could have been in that bathroom, or if media people had made statements that could have been confused. I was assured that Oswald did "his business" in his cell, or in the third-floor rest room, and that the one place that would have been off-limits to press, and thus private to officers, was the area in question. (Walt Brown, Treachery In Dallas)
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Based on the fact this discussion took place in the Dallas Police officers bathroom we have to assume these three men were members of the DPD or some other official organization not to be noticed or questioned.
Sadly, we will never know the full story as the WC failed to investigate this more fully for us.
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