Post by John Duncan on Apr 8, 2022 15:36:50 GMT -5
Roy Sansom Truly: Friend of the Unemployed!
By Raymond Gallagher 2/12
Edited by John Duncan
If there is evil in this world it lurks in the hearts of man.
Roy Sansom Truly: Friend of the Unemployed!
Bonnie Rae Williams testified that he had worked at the TSBD warehouse until business began to get slow and was called to work at the Elm Street Building to help lay a new plywood floor.
Testimony:
Mr. BALL. North of the corner of Houston and Elm?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And how long did you work at that place?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, I worked there. I think that was--it was before November. I think it was sometime during October. I am not sure.
Mr. BALL. And what did they put you to work at at that time?
Mr. WILLIAMS. They called me up to help lay a floor on the fifth floor, they wanted more boards over it. As I say, BUSINESS WAS SLOW, and they were trying to keep us on without laying us off at the time. So, I was using the saw, helping cut wood and lay wood.
Mr. BALL. You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. On the fifth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And when you finished on the fifth floor, what did you do?
Mr. WILLIAMS. After we finished on the fifth floor, we started to move up to the sixth floor. But at the time we didn't complete the sixth floor. We only completed just a little portion of it.
Mr. BALL. By the time, you are talking about November 22d?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Before November 22d, how long had you been laying floor in the building at Houston and Elm?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Before November 22d, I think we had been working on the fifth floor, I think, about 3 weeks. I think altogether I had been up there just about 4 weeks; I think.
Mr. BALL. And how long had you been on the sixth floor before how long have you been working on the sixth floor before November 22?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Let's see. Before November 22d, I think it might have been 2 DAYS -- it might have been 2 DAYS. I would say about 2 days, approximately 2 days.
Mr. BALL. Before you started to lay the floor, did you have to move any cartons?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes; we did.
Mr. BALL. From what part of the sixth floor did you move the cartons?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We moved cartons from, I believe, the west side of the sixth floor to the east side of the sixth floor, because I think there was a vacancy in there.
Mr. BALL. Clear over to the east side?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Do we know who was supervising the floor laying project and who made the decision to move the boxes of books to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. BALL. What part of the sixth floor were you working that morning?
Mr. WILLIAMS. On the west side.
Mr. BALL. Were you moving stock or laying floor that morning?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We were doing both.
Mr. BALL. You were doing both?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. The west side of the sixth floor--you mean the whole west side, or was there a certain part--northwest or southwest or middle?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I believe it was the whole west side, because we had to go from window to window--from the elevator to the front window facing Elm Street--we were laying the floor parallel.
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, as I remember, I don't know too much about the building.
Mr. DULLES. You were not in the order filling business?
Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; not in that department. At the other building. I was just transferred to that building.
Mr. DULLES. Mr. Williams, were all the boxes of books moved out of this area while you were working, or as you finished a part of it, were some boxes put back in?
Mr. WILLIAMS. To begin with, I think we were working on the wall first. I don't think we moved too many books in this area. I think we just moved them out and right back in, as I remember.
But I think after we got a little further over, I think we had to move some books. We had to move these books to the east side of this building, over here, and those books--I would say this would be the window Oswald shot the President from. We moved these books kind of like in a row like that, kind of WINDING THEM AROUND.
How nice ... "Winding them around" the man said..
So here we have an employee claiming that things were slow at the book place and rather than lay off employees, a new floor was being laid on the fifth and sixth floor. And it was just two days before the president's visit that the sixth-floor project began. How convenient is that? And instead of "putting the boxes of books back where they originated, which had been the custom, now they were moved to the west side of the building and stacked "winding them around." Around what? The window where the shots were fired from? Now, whose idea was that. Certainly not the floor laying crews' idea.
Things were slow? Really?
Buell Wesley ( I go by Wesley) Frazier was hired on September 13th after receiving a call from "some lady" at Massey Employment Agency saying the TSBD was hiring. Wesley went to see Mr. Truly in the morning of the 13th. and was told to return after lunch and start working that day despite things being slow...
Next, we find that Lee Oswald was hired on October 15th and started to work the following day, the 16th. as a book order filler. Things must have improved from being slow. But not according to Bonnie Ray Williams.
Roy Truly testimony:
Mr. Belin. Any other conversation that you can remember from your meeting on October 15th?
Mr. Truly. Well, he told me that he needed a job. He said he had a wife and child to support. And he also repeated that he was expecting a child in a few days. And I told Lee Oswald that I had some work, that if he could fit in, of a temporary nature, we could put him on. But I didn't have anything in mind of a permanent job at that time, because I didn't have any openings for a permanent person. And he said he would be glad to have any type of work I would give him, because he did need-- and he
stressed he really needed a job to support his family.
Mr. Belin. Anything else from that conversation on October 15th.
Mr. Truly. Nothing that I can recall, except that he seemed to be grateful that I was giving him the chance of a little extra work, if you want to call it that. He left, and I didn't see him any more until the morning of the 16th.
Mr. Belin. What were his hours of work to be?
Mr. TRULY. His hours were from 8 in the morning until 4:45 in the afternoon. His lunch period was from 12 to 12:45.
Mr. Belin. Did you have a time clock there that they punch or not?
Mr. Truly. No, sir. On the first floor we have bin stock, shelf stock, we fill a lot of small orders from. And then in the basement the same. The fifth and the sixth floor, and part of the seventh floor is overflow stock. It is reserve stock. But the boys have to go to those floors all during the day to pick up stock and bring it to the first floor in order to process and complete the orders for the checker.
Mr. Dulles. What would reserve stock mean?
Mr. Truly. Actually it is not reserve stock--it is not surplus either. It is part of our stock. But we can carry a limited. amount only on the first floor where we do our shipping. So they may get an order for a hundred
copies of a certain book and there may only be 10 or 15 or 20 on the shelf on the first floor. They will have to go upstairs and get a carton or two. And they replenish the first floor stock from that. And many of our freight orders are filled entirely from our reserve stock. And they bring them to the first floor. All orders reach the first floor, where they are checked and processed and packed and shipped from that floor.
Mr. Belin. Where, generally, are Scott, Foresman books kept?
Mr. Truly. On the first floor and the sixth floor. We have a large quantity of their books on the sixth floor.
Mr. Belin. And this is the area where Lee Harvey Oswald worked?
Mr. Truly. That is right.
Mr. Belin. That publisher?
Mr. Truly. That publisher. He had occasion to go to the sixth floor quite a number of times every day, each day, after books. Usually the boys that fill a lot of the other orders are the boys that have had more experience overall, they have been there some time, and they will know the general location of all the stock, and it is just easier for an experienced man to fill some other orders.
I would say for the nature of the work and the time he was there, the work that he did was a bit above average. I wasn't on that floor constantly. The boy, from all reports to me, and what I have seen kept
working and talked little to anybody else. He just kept moving. And he did a good day's work.
Back to Bonnie Rae:
Mr. WILLIAMS. It was after I had left the sixth floor, after I had eaten the chicken sandwich. I finished the chicken sandwich maybe 10 or 15 minutes after 12. I could say approximately what time it was.
Mr. BALL. Approximately what time was it?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Approximately 12:20, maybe.
Mr. BALL. Well, now, when you talked to the FBI on the 23d day of November, you said that you went up to the sixth floor about 12 noon with your lunch, and you stayed only about 3 minutes, and seeing no one you came down to the fifth floor, using the stairs at the west end of the building. Now, do you think you stayed longer than 3 minutes up there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I am sure I stayed longer than 3 minutes.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember telling the FBI you only stayed 3 minutes up there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I do not remember telling them I only stayed 3 minutes.
Mr. BALL. And then on this 14th of January 1964, when you talked to Carter and Griffin, they reported that you told them you went down to the fifth floor around 12:05 p.m., and that around 12:30 p.m. you were watching the Presidential parade. Now, do you remember telling them you went down there about 12:05 p.m.?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I remember telling the fellows that--they asked me first, they said, "How long did it take you to finish the sandwich?" I said, "Maybe 5 to 10 minutes, maybe 15 minutes." Just like I said here. I don't remember saying for a definite answer that it was 5 minutes.
Mr. BALL. Well, is it fair to say that you do not remember the exact time now?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You do remember, though, that you ate your lunch and drank your pop, your Doctor Pepper, before you came down?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Were you there any length of time before the Presidential parade came by?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, sir, on the fifth floor?
Mr. BALL. On the fifth floor, yes, with your two friends, Norman and Jarman.
Mr. WILLIAMS. I was there a while before it came around.
Mr. BALL. You were at what window?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, I believe we was on the east side of the window, and I think Hank was--I think he was directly under the sixth floor window where Oswald was supposed to have shot the President from. And I think I was a window over. And I think James Jarman was two or three windows over.
Mr. BALL. I will show you a picture here, which is 482. Do you see yourself in that picture?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; I am right here.
What seems strange! Witnesses on the street below the TSBD window claimed that they saw people moving around on the sixth floor shortly before the motorcade appeared. Yet, Williams saw no one while he was on the sixth floor. Confusing to say the least.
And, for it being the slow period for the book business, at least two people, neighbors in fact, who played a major role in the historic event, were hired full time in a building that offered a perfect location to shoot at the president of the United States...
Remember? And I told Lee Oswald that I had some work, that if he could fit in, of a temporary nature, we could put him on. But I didn't have anything in mind of a permanent job at that time, because I didn't have any openings for a permanent person.
"Had some work of a temporary nature.." Just long enough though to see history changed by an alleged assassin who "fit in" just long enough to became a person of a temporary nature.
RUTH AND ROY'S PLACE
The building is the secret - if ya wanna know the truth,
And how they got him in there - ya needa ask Miss Ruth.
The place was full of cub-by-holes and spots where you could hide.
And, you didn't need a stairway- there were many ways outside.
An architect could show you how the dirty deed was done,
And, where man was hiding- the man who shot the gun.
When the policeman came and asked the man to help him find his way,
The guy in charge of everything had only this to say:
"Would you like to see the basement? Or, the stairway would be fun.
The shooter should be out by now - there's no need for us to run."
We know these folks weren't strangers - they knew each other well,
And soon they'll be together to celebrate in HELL.
So, the building is the secret - take a better look.
The secret isn't magic - the answer's in the book.
Smells funny, BUT, "We must not listen to those who urge us to think human thoughts since we are human, and mortal thoughts since we are mortal; rather, we should as far as possible immortalize ourselves and do all we can to live by the finest element in us — for if it is small in bulk, it is far greater than anything else in power and worth."
By Raymond Gallagher 2/12
Edited by John Duncan
If there is evil in this world it lurks in the hearts of man.
Roy Sansom Truly: Friend of the Unemployed!
Bonnie Rae Williams testified that he had worked at the TSBD warehouse until business began to get slow and was called to work at the Elm Street Building to help lay a new plywood floor.
Testimony:
Mr. BALL. North of the corner of Houston and Elm?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And how long did you work at that place?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, I worked there. I think that was--it was before November. I think it was sometime during October. I am not sure.
Mr. BALL. And what did they put you to work at at that time?
Mr. WILLIAMS. They called me up to help lay a floor on the fifth floor, they wanted more boards over it. As I say, BUSINESS WAS SLOW, and they were trying to keep us on without laying us off at the time. So, I was using the saw, helping cut wood and lay wood.
Mr. BALL. You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. On the fifth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And when you finished on the fifth floor, what did you do?
Mr. WILLIAMS. After we finished on the fifth floor, we started to move up to the sixth floor. But at the time we didn't complete the sixth floor. We only completed just a little portion of it.
Mr. BALL. By the time, you are talking about November 22d?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Before November 22d, how long had you been laying floor in the building at Houston and Elm?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Before November 22d, I think we had been working on the fifth floor, I think, about 3 weeks. I think altogether I had been up there just about 4 weeks; I think.
Mr. BALL. And how long had you been on the sixth floor before how long have you been working on the sixth floor before November 22?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Let's see. Before November 22d, I think it might have been 2 DAYS -- it might have been 2 DAYS. I would say about 2 days, approximately 2 days.
Mr. BALL. Before you started to lay the floor, did you have to move any cartons?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes; we did.
Mr. BALL. From what part of the sixth floor did you move the cartons?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We moved cartons from, I believe, the west side of the sixth floor to the east side of the sixth floor, because I think there was a vacancy in there.
Mr. BALL. Clear over to the east side?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Do we know who was supervising the floor laying project and who made the decision to move the boxes of books to the southeast corner of the sixth floor?
Mr. BALL. What part of the sixth floor were you working that morning?
Mr. WILLIAMS. On the west side.
Mr. BALL. Were you moving stock or laying floor that morning?
Mr. WILLIAMS. We were doing both.
Mr. BALL. You were doing both?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. The west side of the sixth floor--you mean the whole west side, or was there a certain part--northwest or southwest or middle?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I believe it was the whole west side, because we had to go from window to window--from the elevator to the front window facing Elm Street--we were laying the floor parallel.
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, as I remember, I don't know too much about the building.
Mr. DULLES. You were not in the order filling business?
Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; not in that department. At the other building. I was just transferred to that building.
Mr. DULLES. Mr. Williams, were all the boxes of books moved out of this area while you were working, or as you finished a part of it, were some boxes put back in?
Mr. WILLIAMS. To begin with, I think we were working on the wall first. I don't think we moved too many books in this area. I think we just moved them out and right back in, as I remember.
But I think after we got a little further over, I think we had to move some books. We had to move these books to the east side of this building, over here, and those books--I would say this would be the window Oswald shot the President from. We moved these books kind of like in a row like that, kind of WINDING THEM AROUND.
How nice ... "Winding them around" the man said..
So here we have an employee claiming that things were slow at the book place and rather than lay off employees, a new floor was being laid on the fifth and sixth floor. And it was just two days before the president's visit that the sixth-floor project began. How convenient is that? And instead of "putting the boxes of books back where they originated, which had been the custom, now they were moved to the west side of the building and stacked "winding them around." Around what? The window where the shots were fired from? Now, whose idea was that. Certainly not the floor laying crews' idea.
Things were slow? Really?
Buell Wesley ( I go by Wesley) Frazier was hired on September 13th after receiving a call from "some lady" at Massey Employment Agency saying the TSBD was hiring. Wesley went to see Mr. Truly in the morning of the 13th. and was told to return after lunch and start working that day despite things being slow...
Next, we find that Lee Oswald was hired on October 15th and started to work the following day, the 16th. as a book order filler. Things must have improved from being slow. But not according to Bonnie Ray Williams.
Roy Truly testimony:
Mr. Belin. Any other conversation that you can remember from your meeting on October 15th?
Mr. Truly. Well, he told me that he needed a job. He said he had a wife and child to support. And he also repeated that he was expecting a child in a few days. And I told Lee Oswald that I had some work, that if he could fit in, of a temporary nature, we could put him on. But I didn't have anything in mind of a permanent job at that time, because I didn't have any openings for a permanent person. And he said he would be glad to have any type of work I would give him, because he did need-- and he
stressed he really needed a job to support his family.
Mr. Belin. Anything else from that conversation on October 15th.
Mr. Truly. Nothing that I can recall, except that he seemed to be grateful that I was giving him the chance of a little extra work, if you want to call it that. He left, and I didn't see him any more until the morning of the 16th.
Mr. Belin. What were his hours of work to be?
Mr. TRULY. His hours were from 8 in the morning until 4:45 in the afternoon. His lunch period was from 12 to 12:45.
Mr. Belin. Did you have a time clock there that they punch or not?
Mr. Truly. No, sir. On the first floor we have bin stock, shelf stock, we fill a lot of small orders from. And then in the basement the same. The fifth and the sixth floor, and part of the seventh floor is overflow stock. It is reserve stock. But the boys have to go to those floors all during the day to pick up stock and bring it to the first floor in order to process and complete the orders for the checker.
Mr. Dulles. What would reserve stock mean?
Mr. Truly. Actually it is not reserve stock--it is not surplus either. It is part of our stock. But we can carry a limited. amount only on the first floor where we do our shipping. So they may get an order for a hundred
copies of a certain book and there may only be 10 or 15 or 20 on the shelf on the first floor. They will have to go upstairs and get a carton or two. And they replenish the first floor stock from that. And many of our freight orders are filled entirely from our reserve stock. And they bring them to the first floor. All orders reach the first floor, where they are checked and processed and packed and shipped from that floor.
Mr. Belin. Where, generally, are Scott, Foresman books kept?
Mr. Truly. On the first floor and the sixth floor. We have a large quantity of their books on the sixth floor.
Mr. Belin. And this is the area where Lee Harvey Oswald worked?
Mr. Truly. That is right.
Mr. Belin. That publisher?
Mr. Truly. That publisher. He had occasion to go to the sixth floor quite a number of times every day, each day, after books. Usually the boys that fill a lot of the other orders are the boys that have had more experience overall, they have been there some time, and they will know the general location of all the stock, and it is just easier for an experienced man to fill some other orders.
I would say for the nature of the work and the time he was there, the work that he did was a bit above average. I wasn't on that floor constantly. The boy, from all reports to me, and what I have seen kept
working and talked little to anybody else. He just kept moving. And he did a good day's work.
Back to Bonnie Rae:
Mr. WILLIAMS. It was after I had left the sixth floor, after I had eaten the chicken sandwich. I finished the chicken sandwich maybe 10 or 15 minutes after 12. I could say approximately what time it was.
Mr. BALL. Approximately what time was it?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Approximately 12:20, maybe.
Mr. BALL. Well, now, when you talked to the FBI on the 23d day of November, you said that you went up to the sixth floor about 12 noon with your lunch, and you stayed only about 3 minutes, and seeing no one you came down to the fifth floor, using the stairs at the west end of the building. Now, do you think you stayed longer than 3 minutes up there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I am sure I stayed longer than 3 minutes.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember telling the FBI you only stayed 3 minutes up there?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I do not remember telling them I only stayed 3 minutes.
Mr. BALL. And then on this 14th of January 1964, when you talked to Carter and Griffin, they reported that you told them you went down to the fifth floor around 12:05 p.m., and that around 12:30 p.m. you were watching the Presidential parade. Now, do you remember telling them you went down there about 12:05 p.m.?
Mr. WILLIAMS. I remember telling the fellows that--they asked me first, they said, "How long did it take you to finish the sandwich?" I said, "Maybe 5 to 10 minutes, maybe 15 minutes." Just like I said here. I don't remember saying for a definite answer that it was 5 minutes.
Mr. BALL. Well, is it fair to say that you do not remember the exact time now?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You do remember, though, that you ate your lunch and drank your pop, your Doctor Pepper, before you came down?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Were you there any length of time before the Presidential parade came by?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, sir, on the fifth floor?
Mr. BALL. On the fifth floor, yes, with your two friends, Norman and Jarman.
Mr. WILLIAMS. I was there a while before it came around.
Mr. BALL. You were at what window?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, I believe we was on the east side of the window, and I think Hank was--I think he was directly under the sixth floor window where Oswald was supposed to have shot the President from. And I think I was a window over. And I think James Jarman was two or three windows over.
Mr. BALL. I will show you a picture here, which is 482. Do you see yourself in that picture?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; I am right here.
What seems strange! Witnesses on the street below the TSBD window claimed that they saw people moving around on the sixth floor shortly before the motorcade appeared. Yet, Williams saw no one while he was on the sixth floor. Confusing to say the least.
And, for it being the slow period for the book business, at least two people, neighbors in fact, who played a major role in the historic event, were hired full time in a building that offered a perfect location to shoot at the president of the United States...
Remember? And I told Lee Oswald that I had some work, that if he could fit in, of a temporary nature, we could put him on. But I didn't have anything in mind of a permanent job at that time, because I didn't have any openings for a permanent person.
"Had some work of a temporary nature.." Just long enough though to see history changed by an alleged assassin who "fit in" just long enough to became a person of a temporary nature.
RUTH AND ROY'S PLACE
The building is the secret - if ya wanna know the truth,
And how they got him in there - ya needa ask Miss Ruth.
The place was full of cub-by-holes and spots where you could hide.
And, you didn't need a stairway- there were many ways outside.
An architect could show you how the dirty deed was done,
And, where man was hiding- the man who shot the gun.
When the policeman came and asked the man to help him find his way,
The guy in charge of everything had only this to say:
"Would you like to see the basement? Or, the stairway would be fun.
The shooter should be out by now - there's no need for us to run."
We know these folks weren't strangers - they knew each other well,
And soon they'll be together to celebrate in HELL.
So, the building is the secret - take a better look.
The secret isn't magic - the answer's in the book.
Smells funny, BUT, "We must not listen to those who urge us to think human thoughts since we are human, and mortal thoughts since we are mortal; rather, we should as far as possible immortalize ourselves and do all we can to live by the finest element in us — for if it is small in bulk, it is far greater than anything else in power and worth."