Post by Rob Caprio on Sept 16, 2019 20:26:32 GMT -5
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Notice To Lurkers:
Ben will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Let's start to add in Ben's OWN notice as he does EXACTLY what he warns you folks LNers will do!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
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Let's get back to my list of UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS Ben has made since he is so anxious for me to deal with it, okay?
On the list I wrote this,
"Ben never proved his claim that a FMJ [full-metal jacket] bullet could do the damage that was seen in JFK's head." (Robert)
…and Ben replied as follows.
"The Warren Commission's own ballistic testing showed *exactly* this... even if the trajectory was impossible." (Ben Holmes)
So, first of all, let's get it straight Ben is RELYING on the tests the Warren Commission (WC) did for his SUPPORT! Okay? Here is the reality that the WC gave us in regards to President John F. Kennedy’s (JFK) head wound and the claim a FMJ did this.
1) The WC claimed JFK was struck in the back of the head at the knobby bone area (occiput), and the bullet traveled through the head before exiting at the top of the right side. Keep in mind the shot would have been fired from RIGHT to LEFT, but somehow the bullet traveled in a perfectly straight line.
2) The autopsy X-rays would show a dust like spread of lead in minute particles from the bullet that would total anywhere between 30-40 particles.
3) The WC claimed, after the two fragments were found in the limousine back in Washington D.C., that the FMJ bullet that hit JFK in the head broke into three pieces and the middle part left the limousine as an explanation for why this piece was missing.
So I have asked Ben to show us how normal it is for a FMJ bullet to break into three pieces and he gave me some lame response but never provided a bonafide cite saying this is common for a COPPER JACKETED BULLET to do even when it is designed NOT to break up in the first place!
In fact, the WC did do numerous tests on skulls and they failed to show that a FMJ bullet that broke into three pieces too! OF course WC supporters like Ben will say this is NOT what they were testing for, but hey, if it happened frequently, or even once, why not mention it to support your claim?
When we look at the magic bullet (CE 399) we have more doubts as this bullet allegedly caused seven wounds and broke two dense bones (really three as it has been shown recently the bullet could not have gone through the neck WITHOUT hitting the spinal bone in some way), and yet, it came out nearly pristine with only a loss of 2.4 grains!
Will Ben ever produce a cite that shows it is normal for FMJ to break into three pieces? For now, I have to hold off on calling this a lie, but we do still have those 30-40 dust particles, don't we?
Ben has said this about the dust particles before!
“You completely missed my question. FMJ bullets *do not* leave sprays of particles in their path. There is obvious testimony and xrays regarding a spray of lead particles. That's not what happens when an FMJ bullet hits. Now, can you provide a citation to *any* other case where an FMJ bullet providing a "spray" of metal particles? This is not a question where you can speculate. I'm not interested in speculation.” (Ben Holmes – 2/9/02)
Me either Ben, now when will YOU provide a cite to "any other case" that shows us a FMJ bullet leaves a "spray of lead particles?"
Ben wasn't done though as he would also say this!
“If you are unaware of the differences between FMJ rounds and hunting rounds, then you would certainly have no idea why there was a spray of lead in JFK's skull xrays, would you?” (Ben Holmes – 2/13/09)
Obviously Ben NOW has NO understanding or idea of why there were lead spray particles in a head when a FMJ bullet was allegedly used.
Where did the WC's tests show that a FMJ commonly, or even once, broke into three pieces? Where did the WC's tests show it is common for a FMJ bullet to leave a "spray" of lead dust particles in the head of a victim? Ben said this though.
"The Warren Commission's own ballistic testing showed *exactly* this... even if the trajectory was impossible." (Ben Holmes)
NO it didn't, it didn't EXACTLY show anything, it just claimed it did as they always did. Ben has again been caught in MULTIPLE lies so why was he so anxious for me to address this list again?
Will Ben retract his lie for this UNSUPPORTED claim of his that BENEFITS the WC?
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded.
Ben will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
*******************************************************************
Let's start to add in Ben's OWN notice as he does EXACTLY what he warns you folks LNers will do!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series” posts.)
******************************************************************
Let's get back to my list of UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS Ben has made since he is so anxious for me to deal with it, okay?
On the list I wrote this,
"Ben never proved his claim that a FMJ [full-metal jacket] bullet could do the damage that was seen in JFK's head." (Robert)
…and Ben replied as follows.
"The Warren Commission's own ballistic testing showed *exactly* this... even if the trajectory was impossible." (Ben Holmes)
So, first of all, let's get it straight Ben is RELYING on the tests the Warren Commission (WC) did for his SUPPORT! Okay? Here is the reality that the WC gave us in regards to President John F. Kennedy’s (JFK) head wound and the claim a FMJ did this.
1) The WC claimed JFK was struck in the back of the head at the knobby bone area (occiput), and the bullet traveled through the head before exiting at the top of the right side. Keep in mind the shot would have been fired from RIGHT to LEFT, but somehow the bullet traveled in a perfectly straight line.
2) The autopsy X-rays would show a dust like spread of lead in minute particles from the bullet that would total anywhere between 30-40 particles.
3) The WC claimed, after the two fragments were found in the limousine back in Washington D.C., that the FMJ bullet that hit JFK in the head broke into three pieces and the middle part left the limousine as an explanation for why this piece was missing.
So I have asked Ben to show us how normal it is for a FMJ bullet to break into three pieces and he gave me some lame response but never provided a bonafide cite saying this is common for a COPPER JACKETED BULLET to do even when it is designed NOT to break up in the first place!
In fact, the WC did do numerous tests on skulls and they failed to show that a FMJ bullet that broke into three pieces too! OF course WC supporters like Ben will say this is NOT what they were testing for, but hey, if it happened frequently, or even once, why not mention it to support your claim?
When we look at the magic bullet (CE 399) we have more doubts as this bullet allegedly caused seven wounds and broke two dense bones (really three as it has been shown recently the bullet could not have gone through the neck WITHOUT hitting the spinal bone in some way), and yet, it came out nearly pristine with only a loss of 2.4 grains!
Will Ben ever produce a cite that shows it is normal for FMJ to break into three pieces? For now, I have to hold off on calling this a lie, but we do still have those 30-40 dust particles, don't we?
Ben has said this about the dust particles before!
“You completely missed my question. FMJ bullets *do not* leave sprays of particles in their path. There is obvious testimony and xrays regarding a spray of lead particles. That's not what happens when an FMJ bullet hits. Now, can you provide a citation to *any* other case where an FMJ bullet providing a "spray" of metal particles? This is not a question where you can speculate. I'm not interested in speculation.” (Ben Holmes – 2/9/02)
Me either Ben, now when will YOU provide a cite to "any other case" that shows us a FMJ bullet leaves a "spray of lead particles?"
Ben wasn't done though as he would also say this!
“If you are unaware of the differences between FMJ rounds and hunting rounds, then you would certainly have no idea why there was a spray of lead in JFK's skull xrays, would you?” (Ben Holmes – 2/13/09)
Obviously Ben NOW has NO understanding or idea of why there were lead spray particles in a head when a FMJ bullet was allegedly used.
Where did the WC's tests show that a FMJ commonly, or even once, broke into three pieces? Where did the WC's tests show it is common for a FMJ bullet to leave a "spray" of lead dust particles in the head of a victim? Ben said this though.
"The Warren Commission's own ballistic testing showed *exactly* this... even if the trajectory was impossible." (Ben Holmes)
NO it didn't, it didn't EXACTLY show anything, it just claimed it did as they always did. Ben has again been caught in MULTIPLE lies so why was he so anxious for me to address this list again?
Will Ben retract his lie for this UNSUPPORTED claim of his that BENEFITS the WC?