Post by Rob Caprio on Sept 21, 2019 20:45:05 GMT -5
All portions are ©️ Robert Caprio 2006-2024
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded. Ben will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
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Now let's add in Ben's own notice to lurkers for his series as he is DOING THE SAME THING HE ACCUSES THE TROLLS OF DOING!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series”posts.)
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[Note: “Ben Holmes" is back to acting like a CTer in 2019. This writer's view after all these years is “Ben" is most likely someone who knows enough about the conspiracy point of view to act like one, but is really a LNer.
The purpose keeps the fake conspiracy board, ACJ, looking real. Another purpose is to attack any real CTer with these supposed CTers as that has more impact than a LNer doing it. It is more effective for driving away real CTers who may say things better left unsaid. Most JFK boards/forums are setup in this fashion unfortunately.]
Due to the success of my "Provable Lies of Ben Holmes" series, and don't worry it is NOT finished, I have been budgeted with a new "spin-off" series. Kind of like the "Jeffersons" spinning off from "All In The Family!" LOL!!
Since so many of the lies Ben tells are in relation to his UNDYING SUPPORT OF WALT, I thought this was worthy of a WHOLE new series!
Walt is a KNOWN LNer hiding in CTer clothing, but he still likes to pretend despite EVERYONE knowing he is really a co-hort of John McAdams.
Walt on many occasions has blamed Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) for shooting at General Edwin Walker, just like the Warren Commission (WC) did!
Like this!
“Sloooow down, pull yer head outta yer ass and listen.... **I do believe that there is greater evidence that Oswald was involved in the Walker shooting** than there is evidence that he was the assassin who murdered President Kennedy. IF his rifle was used to fire the Walker bullet (CE 573) **and CE 573 is in fact the bullet that was recovered at Walker's house on the night of 4/10/63** then we have another piece of evidence that there were two different Carcanos involved in this hoax. We know that the rifle that LHO is holding in CE 133A is NOT the same rifle that was found in the TSBD, (because the slings are mounted differently on the two rifles), and we also know that CE 399 and CE 573 were fired from different rifles.
If you think that Western cartridge company was the ONE AND ONLY manufacturer of 6.5mm ammo then you're right where you belong in the "Happy Hotel' “ (Walt)
And more to the point this one!
“OK....Calm down.... I accept that CE 573 (a copper-jacketed bullet) is in fact the bullet that was recovered from Walker's livingroom on the evening of April 10 1963.” (Walt)
The problem with this CLAIM by a supposed CTer like Walt is that the OFFICIAL POLICE REPORTS all say the bullet recovered at the scene was a STEEL-JACKETED type and many have listed the caliber as a .30.06 type! Walker himself, when shown CE-573, said it was NOT the same bullet he held on the night of the shooting!
We know that Ben knows this to be TRUE because he has told us so before!
"The "steel jacket" was found to be very inconvenient for people such as you, so you simply ignore it... don't you?” (Ben Holmes to Todd Vaughn – 1/27/06)
And this one!
"Did you look at the Original Report in Volume XXIV page 39????” (Bud)
“Doesn't matter whether he did or didn't. The real point, of course, is that just like Toddy, and other LNT'ers, no answer to this problem has been offered. ***A steel jacketed bullet has had the magic hand waved over it, and been changed to a copper jacketed bullet.***
All that can be suggested is mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake. (to paraphrase Ted)
We have police officers who can't tell the difference between steel and copper... police officers who can't tell the difference between revolver and automatic cartridge shells, and many other improbable things that LNT'ers must believe.” (Ben Holmes – 1/27/06)
Yet despite knowing this and knowing Walt is lying by claiming CE-573 was actually fired at Walker by LHO--HE SAID NOTHING!
Despite numerous comments like this to the contrary!
“Lies will be pointed out, no matter *WHO* asserts 'em.” (Ben Holmes—12/8/09)
And this!
“When people refuse to support their own assertions, I merely point it out.” (Ben Holmes – 7/9/09)
But no, he did NOT point it out. I added this false claim to a long list of false claims by Walt like this!
“Walt never proved his claim that LHO shot at General Walker on 4/10/63.”
And this!
“Walt never proved his claim that CE 573 was the bullet actually fired at Gen. Walker on 4/10/63.”
And instead of calling out, or pointing out, Walt's lies--BEN attacked me!
He would even say this of the long list of UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS made by Walt!
“BECAUSE YOU CHANGED THEM (Walt’s claims) TO MY NAME! YOU lied and acted like I made them and now you have the gall to claim I am lying. Ben ADMITTED I never made them with this comment!" (Robert)
“Tis true. **You never made them**. But also true, each statement is (Walt’s claims).” (Ben Holmes)
So we see him saying Walt's claims are true when we have SEEN HIM say differently before! DO you want further proof?
“Here we see him ADMIT I never made these claims,… (Robert, Edited by Ben)
“Of course you didn't. Yet the *STATEMENTS* are 100% correct. You can't refute 'em.” (Ben Holmes – 8/4/09)
How can they be "100% correct" to him when he has said the TOTAL OPPOSITE years before? What changed his mind? Who knows, he will never tell you, that is why this is a lie! He is saying he AGREES with Walt's lies (usually the same ones the WC told us) yet HIS OWN WORDS show he doesn't!
Yet he NEVER CALLS OUT WALT! How come? Who throws their credibility away like this for a WC Shill like Walt? Another WC shill is the correct answer.
More to come!
Notice To Lurkers:
Ben will deny these very obvious lies by claiming he has given evidence already (a favorite trick of the LNer clan) or that he has quoted me saying something, but do NOT fall for it. Demand him to provide this evidence to you. Demand that he provides my quote IN context as he has a habit of EDITING other people’s words and ignoring clarifications even when they are made BEFORE he responded. Ben will resort to insults and false accusations like all LNers do so take note of how often he does this.
__________________________________________
Now let's add in Ben's own notice to lurkers for his series as he is DOING THE SAME THING HE ACCUSES THE TROLLS OF DOING!
“Important Note for Lurkers - there are many trolls on this forum who's only purpose is to obstruct debate, deny the evidence, and attempt to change message threads from discussing the evidence, to personal insults and attacks.” (Ben Holmes’s Refrain on his “series”posts.)
__________________________________________
[Note: “Ben Holmes" is back to acting like a CTer in 2019. This writer's view after all these years is “Ben" is most likely someone who knows enough about the conspiracy point of view to act like one, but is really a LNer.
The purpose keeps the fake conspiracy board, ACJ, looking real. Another purpose is to attack any real CTer with these supposed CTers as that has more impact than a LNer doing it. It is more effective for driving away real CTers who may say things better left unsaid. Most JFK boards/forums are setup in this fashion unfortunately.]
Due to the success of my "Provable Lies of Ben Holmes" series, and don't worry it is NOT finished, I have been budgeted with a new "spin-off" series. Kind of like the "Jeffersons" spinning off from "All In The Family!" LOL!!
Since so many of the lies Ben tells are in relation to his UNDYING SUPPORT OF WALT, I thought this was worthy of a WHOLE new series!
Walt is a KNOWN LNer hiding in CTer clothing, but he still likes to pretend despite EVERYONE knowing he is really a co-hort of John McAdams.
Walt on many occasions has blamed Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) for shooting at General Edwin Walker, just like the Warren Commission (WC) did!
Like this!
“Sloooow down, pull yer head outta yer ass and listen.... **I do believe that there is greater evidence that Oswald was involved in the Walker shooting** than there is evidence that he was the assassin who murdered President Kennedy. IF his rifle was used to fire the Walker bullet (CE 573) **and CE 573 is in fact the bullet that was recovered at Walker's house on the night of 4/10/63** then we have another piece of evidence that there were two different Carcanos involved in this hoax. We know that the rifle that LHO is holding in CE 133A is NOT the same rifle that was found in the TSBD, (because the slings are mounted differently on the two rifles), and we also know that CE 399 and CE 573 were fired from different rifles.
If you think that Western cartridge company was the ONE AND ONLY manufacturer of 6.5mm ammo then you're right where you belong in the "Happy Hotel' “ (Walt)
And more to the point this one!
“OK....Calm down.... I accept that CE 573 (a copper-jacketed bullet) is in fact the bullet that was recovered from Walker's livingroom on the evening of April 10 1963.” (Walt)
The problem with this CLAIM by a supposed CTer like Walt is that the OFFICIAL POLICE REPORTS all say the bullet recovered at the scene was a STEEL-JACKETED type and many have listed the caliber as a .30.06 type! Walker himself, when shown CE-573, said it was NOT the same bullet he held on the night of the shooting!
We know that Ben knows this to be TRUE because he has told us so before!
"The "steel jacket" was found to be very inconvenient for people such as you, so you simply ignore it... don't you?” (Ben Holmes to Todd Vaughn – 1/27/06)
And this one!
"Did you look at the Original Report in Volume XXIV page 39????” (Bud)
“Doesn't matter whether he did or didn't. The real point, of course, is that just like Toddy, and other LNT'ers, no answer to this problem has been offered. ***A steel jacketed bullet has had the magic hand waved over it, and been changed to a copper jacketed bullet.***
All that can be suggested is mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake. (to paraphrase Ted)
We have police officers who can't tell the difference between steel and copper... police officers who can't tell the difference between revolver and automatic cartridge shells, and many other improbable things that LNT'ers must believe.” (Ben Holmes – 1/27/06)
Yet despite knowing this and knowing Walt is lying by claiming CE-573 was actually fired at Walker by LHO--HE SAID NOTHING!
Despite numerous comments like this to the contrary!
“Lies will be pointed out, no matter *WHO* asserts 'em.” (Ben Holmes—12/8/09)
And this!
“When people refuse to support their own assertions, I merely point it out.” (Ben Holmes – 7/9/09)
But no, he did NOT point it out. I added this false claim to a long list of false claims by Walt like this!
“Walt never proved his claim that LHO shot at General Walker on 4/10/63.”
And this!
“Walt never proved his claim that CE 573 was the bullet actually fired at Gen. Walker on 4/10/63.”
And instead of calling out, or pointing out, Walt's lies--BEN attacked me!
He would even say this of the long list of UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS made by Walt!
“BECAUSE YOU CHANGED THEM (Walt’s claims) TO MY NAME! YOU lied and acted like I made them and now you have the gall to claim I am lying. Ben ADMITTED I never made them with this comment!" (Robert)
“Tis true. **You never made them**. But also true, each statement is (Walt’s claims).” (Ben Holmes)
So we see him saying Walt's claims are true when we have SEEN HIM say differently before! DO you want further proof?
“Here we see him ADMIT I never made these claims,… (Robert, Edited by Ben)
“Of course you didn't. Yet the *STATEMENTS* are 100% correct. You can't refute 'em.” (Ben Holmes – 8/4/09)
How can they be "100% correct" to him when he has said the TOTAL OPPOSITE years before? What changed his mind? Who knows, he will never tell you, that is why this is a lie! He is saying he AGREES with Walt's lies (usually the same ones the WC told us) yet HIS OWN WORDS show he doesn't!
Yet he NEVER CALLS OUT WALT! How come? Who throws their credibility away like this for a WC Shill like Walt? Another WC shill is the correct answer.
More to come!